Vertigo Plug-in for Mastering?
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Vertigo Plug-in for Mastering?

I know some well known guys (here in Germany eg. Andreas Balaska) is using the Vertigo compressor as the main compressor for mastering. Since some time there is a emulation available from Brainworx.

Is there some experience with the plug-in or that some guys using the emulation instead of the hardware for mastering?
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I know some well known guys (here in Germany eg. Andreas Balaska) is using the Vertigo compressor as the main compressor for mastering. Since some time there is a emulation available from Brainworx.

Is there some experience with the plug-in or that some guys using the emulation instead of the hardware for mastering?
I tried the demo because I was interested in the hardware but I didn't like it. It has a weird behavior on the tracks I tried, it felt like it was a very anxious and uneasy compressor on almost all settings and GR.
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I tried the demo also which did not make me feel like I needed it so I passed though I did grab the maag eq plug, that I am really digging but I have slate fgx and it holds me down well for my limited mastering needs.
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Slightly off topic as I haven't had the chance to use the software version but to get to know how to use well the hardware takes quite a bit of time despite the semplicity of the controls.
This even more obvious in a mastering environment than during tracking or mixing where its strenghts are much more "obvious"
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beeing owner of the hardware-vertigo serialnr.3 i have to say that in the beginning the box did frighten me a bit with it`s behaviour and i wasnt happy at all , but after some time i was diggin it and now i realy loOOooOOove it.
it`s the one box i would take with me on an lonely island.
although i never tried the emulation i could emagine it needs some time to figure it out ....
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The behavior of this compressor seems to be a bit special?

I saw a mastering guy using it with long attack, long release and very small gain reduction (1dB). Only judging from the video I would say, it's not a compressor for big gain reduction, it's more for glue things together and give it a bit color.

It has a sidechain EQ (Afaik 90hz and 60Hz) but is the problem with this compressor eventually that he tends to pump very quickly?
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Being this the mastering forum 0.5 to 1 or 1.5 dB of gain reduction is what you'd expect us discussing. If we were talking tracking and mixing then it would be a different scenario.
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I have used the Vertigo VSC-2 plugin by Brainworx in my mastering chain a few times. I wouldn't say it would be my all around go to compressor as for that ITB I would usually turn to either the Elysia Alpha or Magix's Ammunition.

The reason I say that is because the Vertigo does inject a bit of color into the program material you are compressing and it seems to soften the highs somewhat. What I do like about the Vertigo is how it glues tracks together and give it a thick solid sound. I would see the VSC-2 useful for mastering rock/alt....at least that is my opinion.
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I have used the Vertigo VSC-2 plugin by Brainworx in my mastering chain a few times. I wouldn't say it would be my all around go to compressor as for that ITB I would usually turn to either the Elysia Alpha or Magix's Ammunition.

The reason I say that is because the Vertigo does inject a bit of color into the program material you are compressing and it seems to soften the highs somewhat. What I do like about the Vertigo is how it glues tracks together and give it a thick solid sound. I would see the VSC-2 useful for mastering rock/alt....at least that is my opinion.
Yes the Elysia has M/S and a very transparent sound (IMO there is no color) compared to the Vertigo.
Do you would prefer the Elysia Master Compressor over the Vertigo for all kind of electronic/dance/pop?
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The Vertigo plug certainly has a sound. It doesn't work for everything regarding full program material. But for some mixes, it's very nice.

Under certain circumstances, I would consider it during mastering. But probably only if the material didn't need another pass through outboard, or if there were no other options.


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I tried the demo because I was interested in the hardware but I didn't like it. It has a weird behavior on the tracks I tried, it felt like it was a very anxious and uneasy compressor on almost all settings and GR.
If interested in the hardware, try the hardware. I can't speak for the plug in but we couldn't (wouldn't) return the hardware VSC-2 we had on loan - it certainly covers the VCA options with flexibility. A great "tightener" even with the smallest amounts of gain reduction.
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beeing owner of the hardware-vertigo serialnr.3 i have to say that in the beginning the box did frighten me a bit with it`s behaviour and i wasnt happy at all , but after some time i was diggin it and now i realy loOOooOOove it.
it`s the one box i would take with me on an lonely island.
although i never tried the emulation i could emagine it needs some time to figure it out ....
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Almost 2 years with the hardware unit and loving it more everyday.
Useful on dance music cause its nice punch. Great components inside that make this unit incomparable with a plugin in my opinion.
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I demoed the software and found it very usefull for adding punch on some mixes, basically 30ms attack and short release (in my specific case).

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I tried the plug-in, and although I thought it would probably be fine for tracking and mixing duties (at which it's probably aimed), I wouldn't use it for mastering: it's not that surprising, but for me it didn't have whatever it is that makes the hardware box special.

I'm not a huge fan of digital compressors, but if I had to use plug-in compression in mastering PSP's Mastercomp would be more suitable.
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If interested in the hardware, try the hardware. I can't speak for the plug in but we couldn't (wouldn't) return the hardware VSC-2 we had on loan - it certainly covers the VCA options with flexibility. A great "tightener" even with the smallest amounts of gain reduction.
Here it is impossible to try out or loan high-end or boutique gear so trying plug-ins is the only way to preview gear. Most of the times we have to commit and buy gear without trying, so it's better than nothing.

Plug-ins made me want the elysia stuff and a Neumann passive EQ (thanks to Softube emulation), and took me off from other stuff like the Vertigo. Sorry for the off topic.
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I've been liking it on the drum buss best. For rock/alt and metal it does something the other comps don't. Even at light settings it adds a wonderful punch to drums! Kind of become my go to for that, but I dunno about the 2 buss...Might have to give it a try. I keep the glue on my 2buss as it's very versatile using it in parallel and the hpf gets used half the time for lows(kick or bass) on heavy fast music on 2buss.

It has a dirty rock color that I could see working depending on the material and personal taste.
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Here it is impossible to try out or loan high-end or boutique gear so trying plug-ins is the only way to preview gear. Most of the times we have to commit and buy gear without trying, so it's better than nothing.

Plug-ins made me want the elysia stuff and a Neumann passive EQ (thanks to Softube emulation), and took me off from other stuff like the Vertigo. Sorry for the off topic.
That's a fair enough point.
I too feel the same when it comes to some well done emulations..

I may be buying some TG console gear after trying the Abbey plugs.


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I tried the demo, didn't like it at all.
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If I understand this correctly, it's eventually more the color of the Vertigo people don't like? So more usable for mixing and tracking.
I know that for mastering the Elysia Master Compressor gets more good words but I saw the hardware of the Vertigo also used by mastering guys, so my question about this.
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Yes the Elysia has M/S and a very transparent sound (IMO there is no color) compared to the Vertigo.
Do you would prefer the Elysia Master Compressor over the Vertigo for all kind of electronic/dance/pop?
I master quite a bit of EDM and I would suggest a clean/transparent compressor like the Elysia...but there are many others as well. The thing I like about the Elysia is the ability to do M/S & parallel comp with ease....only when needed.
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In terms of quality, I would liken the Vertigo plug in to the Cytomic The Glue compressor. It's maybe a little more delicate sounding, but equally useful for bus compression. This is fairly high praise, as The Glue is very popular among users.

I cannot comment on how it compares to the hardware version, having not heard the hardware. However, I would venture a guess that the hardware is likely to produce superior results. In the past software emulations of hardware compressors have tended to be the weakest link in plug in development. If anyone owns both the hardware and the plug in, I would be very curious to know how they compare.
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In terms of quality, I would liken the Vertigo plug in to the Cytomic The Glue compressor. It's maybe a little more delicate sounding, but equally useful for bus compression. This is fairly high praise, as The Glue is very popular among users.

I cannot comment on how it compares to the hardware version, having not heard the hardware. However, I would venture a guess that the hardware is likely to produce superior results. In the past software emulations of hardware compressors have tended to be the weakest link in plug in development. If anyone owns both the hardware and the plug in, I would be very curious to know how they compare.
I see the hardware today as a vintage warmer based in transformer... it have a very analog vintage sound... the hardware have more strong sub frequency info and no hashness compared to the plugin.. thats my first impression.
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The Glue is a bit special. Afaik it has not a own sound, there are no emulated transformers or stuff from the SSL hardware. It's more the compression behavior Cytomic emulated. Because it's very clean it can be used everywhere and gets always high recommendations from all kind of EDM people where a more transparent sound is often wished.

Vertigo is not clean. Completely different than Elysia or The Glue. For the plug-in it seems there is not much love as a mastering compressor so I expect a big difference from the hardware to the plug-in. Unfortunately there are not much guys used the hardware?
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My primary concern using this plug for mastering would indeed be the added color. As far as action of the dynamics though, the VSC is at the top among plug-in comps IMO.


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Yes.. i am not a big fan of compressor plugins like lowland. Anyway the plugin sounds good and useful in another way. I find it useful on 2 buss when mixing like other users.
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