Antiphase in Analyzer

[stsao001]

Hey guys,
what are the red, "antiphase" regions outside of the blue area? I can only pan my instruments as far as the blue region goes, so it'd be nice if I knew how to control signals in those areas as well. Anything helps, thanks!

[dcollins]

Originally Posted by stsao001

Hey guys,
what are the red, "antiphase" regions outside of the blue area? I can only pan my instruments as far as the blue region goes, so it'd be nice if I knew how to control signals in those areas as well. Anything helps, thanks!

You cannot get there by panning. You need to change the phase of the left and right channels by some means, like the phase button.

Aren't analyzers great?


DC

[stsao001]

Originally Posted by dcollins

You cannot get there by panning. You need to change the phase of the left and right channels by some means, like the phase button.

Aren't analyzers great?


DC

yes! what are some practical ways to "change phase"?

[2pulse]

Connect one of your studio monitors with the positive and negative wires reversed and enjoy nothing but antiphase in your sweet spot for as long as you can possibly stand it.

[Rasbah]

Is this "anti phase" a problem when I listen in mono?
What is the best range for compleatly in phase, and how can I resolve this problem?

[dcollins]

Originally Posted by Rasbah

Is this "anti phase" a problem when I listen in mono?

Is it ever.

What is the best range for compleatly in phase, and how can I resolve this problem?

The best range can only be resolved by listening in mono.

Once something is mixed that has poor mono-compatibility, there isn't much you can do.

Although I will say some guys worry about how the mix works in mono, and some don't.


DC

[stsao001]

Originally Posted by dcollins

Is it ever.



The best range can only be resolved by listening in mono.

Once something is mixed that has poor mono-compatibility, there isn't much you can do.

Although I will say some guys worry about how the mix works in mono, and some don't.


DC

So anti phase isn't something that sounds wider than the blue region according to the analyzer?

[dcollins]

Originally Posted by stsao001

So anti phase isn't something that sounds wider than the blue region according to the analyzer?

How does it sound according to you? That's the question.


DC

[badmark]

generally the anti-phase is what makes a sound seem to really come out of the speakers

and then disappear when you hit the mono button

e.g. the stereo width knob in fruity loops is handy for controlling/emphasizing this

[stsao001]

Originally Posted by badmark

generally the anti-phase is what makes a sound seem to really come out of the speakers

and then disappear when you hit the mono button

e.g. the stereo width knob in fruity loops is handy for controlling/emphasizing this

thanks,
do you know any 3rd party plugins or technique to control this? because currently I only use Logic =o

[ramil]

with paning, phase invert button and any plugin that can make certain frequency areas narrowed or mono will do the job

[Mofi]

Brainworx has some great Stereotools for that purpose, but like said before almost every Stereo effect tool will do the job.

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by stsao001

Anything helps, thanks!

In "typical" band music, the stuff that might be out of phase to a degree, is stereo reverb, drum overheads, stereo guitars & keyboards, background vocals, etc... The icing on the cake stuff.

The stuff you don't "typically" want out of phase is the lead vocal, kick drum, bass guitar, etc... Anything considered to be part of the core of the music.

Brainworx has a free utility that can let you "solo" the Mid or the Side channels and listen.

Of course this is a (((stereotype))) ....har!

JT

p.s. The thing that experience tells you is when to worry with it, and when when not to.

[SASMastering]

I recommend being concerned about how the mix sounds in mono because it can directly relate to how it sounds in stereo. I think it is a good plan to see them as being 2 facets of the same product.If you are a great mixer then don't worry about it, you already know the rules well enough to break them and understand any compromise, as a precedent for new mixers, worry about it.

[stsao001]

Originally Posted by badmark

generally the anti-phase is what makes a sound seem to really come out of the speakers

is it like resonance of a vocal that makes it "poke out" of a mix? one example in my head right now is the chorus in Coldplay's "Rush of Blood to the Head" but the audio quality on youtube doesn't show it well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoyyr1SFPCY

do you have any example that use anti-phase tastefully? thanks.

[stsao001]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

Brainworx has a free utility that can let you "solo" the Mid or the Side channels and listen.

Found it!. There are 3 other free plugins o_o. I'll update more after i try it, thanks.