TC System 6000

[echoRausch]

Hello System 6000 owners!

Do you know if it's possible to remove the initially installed stereo mastering license from a System 6000 Mastering and sell it separately?

[audiomm]

I am shure NOT!

Sorry!

[echoRausch]

That would be good news...

[kosmokrator]

Originally Posted by echoRausch

That would be good news...

AFAIK you cannot sell licenses.

[pmx]

licenses are machine specific

[echoRausch]

That's cool. I shot a TC 6000 mastering at Ebay for a real no brainer price (unfortunately without ICON). The unit looks like new and I'm not sure if there's a catch somewhere because it was so cheap... I thought it might be the guy sold the stereo mastering license separately so the unit comes without any license... Although nothing like this was to be seen in his Ebay-ratings. But I'll have to wait until it arrives (today or tomorrow I think...).

kosmokrator: Did you check the ICON-update or the ICON-software-remote already?

[kosmokrator]

Originally Posted by echoRausch

That's cool. I shot a TC 6000 mastering at Ebay for a real no brainer price (unfortunately without ICON). The unit looks like new and I'm not sure if there's a catch somewhere because it was so cheap... I thought it might be the guy sold the stereo mastering license separately so the unit comes without any license... Although nothing like this was to be seen in his Ebay-ratings. But I'll have to wait until it arrives (today or tomorrow I think...).

kosmokrator: Did you check the ICON-update or the ICON-software-remote already?

The ICON-upgrade? You mean to MK2?

I checked the ICON software remote, yes. It's free nowadays. It doesn't like co-working with the IP connection of my AWS900, though.

I have to get that working since my ICON doesn't work that good anymore.

[kosmokrator]

Probably will go the screen-editor-route, but thanks.

[echoRausch]

Got the unit today, everything seems to work fine BUT I can't get a connection between the mainframe and my computer where the ICON remote software is working.

I'm a little bit confused what is happening here... Tried a crosslink cable too but without success... Is it necessary to have the TC remote computer even if you have no ICON? I got to get this thing working...

[echoRausch]

Ok, found something in the operation manual (25 pages, on page 25):

The TC Icon Software Editor is a fully operational
software remote control for the System 6000
All functions available via the TC Icon hardware version are
also available via the Software Editor.
A network adapter must be installed in your computer for
connection to a Mainframe.
To install the TC Icon Software Editor, please follow the
instructions in the Hardware & Installation chapter.
The Hardware & Installation chapter also explains how to
setup TCP/IP addresses etc.

But where can I find this chapter? I downloaded every manual but there is no chapter called Hardware & Installation. The unit came without any printed manual so where can I get the needed information? Thanks for your help!

[echoRausch]

The 6000 MK II manual helps. MK I will not be different in terms of IP setup. Crossed link cable is necessary, so I was right to have bought one ... I will continue tomorrow and I'm confident now to get it done...

[electricsky]

There should not be many things to do to setup the mainframe with your computer if you use the right crossed ethernet cable.
As long as you setup the IP correctly .
I think i will try it as well cause i upgraded my main frame to MKII and i tried the new LM6 that is given with it but it's unuseable so much the meter is slow and has latency !
I am very surprised about that !
I had asked about the differences between the Remote CPU & remote itself of the original 6000 VS the MKII and the guy at TC support told me the remote CPU of the MKII would display some faster meters (among other few changes ) but he didn't tell me that the LM6 would not be displayed correctly with the original CPU remote !
So i will try to connect the MKII main frame to my computer directly and see if teh meters of teh LM6 are useable this way ...

[electricsky]

It seems the remote of the MKII is exactly the same as the MKI , except the color but the remote CPU has faster display, USB cconnectionb (that works unlike previous one that was limited to KB !!) , faster at startup (the original is quite slow !) , adds another lan connection and can save and load presets from a shared file (NET or NAS drive).
Both the MKII remote or remote cpu can be bought separatly (about 2200 euros exclu VAT for the remote cpu or 4100 euros excl VAT for remote cpu + remote ) .

[kosmokrator]

I am a HUGE fan of the 6k, but IMO the MK2-'upgrade' is one of the biggest laughs in the last years of pro audio.
They could have improved it to be such a stunning device, but... oh well..

The original is still great.

[electricsky]

Originally Posted by kosmokrator

I am a HUGE fan of the 6k, but IMO the MK2-'upgrade' is one of the biggest laughs in the last years of pro audio.
They could have improved it to be such a stunning device, but... oh well..

The original is still great.

I agree that if they don't devellop any other software updates that really adds something , then 2400 eurosz incl VAT is too much, if ever you already have the reverb and mastering licenses.
If you don't , then it's interesting but as i was writing in another topic, it's abit of a bet on the future dezvellopment of the software as the MKI mainframe can't use the latest TC 6000 OS available and won't be able to use the future updates.

Where i'm really disapointed, is that , as i already have the reverb and mastering stereo and don't need Unwrap as i don't mix in 5.1, the thing that finaly convinced me to upgrade to MKII, was the LM6 as i need a good digital pro metering tool, so i was really thinking i would use it but with the Remote CPU MKI, the display is unuseable for the LML6 !
I really wonder how faster is the remote CPU MKII ?

If i was sure there will be some interesting updates in the future and some new algorithms, i would buy the remote cpu MKII but as i just upgraded, i will wait and see ...

I got the TC 6000 MKI + remote cpu + remote t(all MKI), + 3 ADA 2496 cards and reverb + stereo mastering license, for a good price, (and in good shape), so the upgrade was still interesting to do but i'm really disapointed my remote cpu display is too slow for LM6 !!

Apart from that, i bought that 6000 recently and just discover it and i really like it !
I already had a TC4000 i liked ( i saw the prices lowered much ! ) but the 6000 is another level !

So i'm trying to connect thej main frame MKII to my mac pro with a crossed ethernet cable but i can't get it to work for th emoment !
Could you connect it ?

[kosmokrator]

Originally Posted by electricsky

I agree that if they don't devellop any other software updates that really adds something , then 2400 eurosz incl VAT is too much, if ever you already have the reverb and mastering licenses.
If you don't , then it's interesting but as i was writing in another topic, it's abit of a bet on the future dezvellopment of the software as the MKI mainframe can't use the latest TC 6000 OS available and won't be able to use the future updates.

Where i'm really disapointed, is that , as i already have the reverb and mastering stereo and don't need Unwrap as i don't mix in 5.1, the thing that finaly convinced me to upgrade to MKII, was the LM6 as i need a good digital pro metering tool, so i was really thinking i would use it but with the Remote CPU MKI, the display is unuseable for the LML6 !
I really wonder how faster is the remote CPU MKII ?

If i was sure there will be some interesting updates in the future and some new algorithms, i would buy the remote cpu MKII but as i just upgraded, i will wait and see ...

I got the TC 6000 MKI + remote cpu + remote t(all MKI), + 3 ADA 2496 cards and reverb + stereo mastering license, for a good price, (and in good shape), so the upgrade was still interesting to do but i'm really disapointed my remote cpu display is too slow for LM6 !!

Apart from that, i bought that 6000 recently and just discover it and i really like it !
I already had a TC4000 i liked ( i saw the prices lowered much ! ) but the 6000 is another level !

So i'm trying to connect thej main frame MKII to my mac pro with a crossed ethernet cable but i can't get it to work for th emoment !
Could you connect it ?

If they would have added DSP it would have been an awesome upgrade. I don't expect super-crazy new algorithms since there is no additional power left on the DSPs.
To connect the mainframe to the DAW, they have to be on the same IP-subnet. F.e. 10.0.0.0/24 Also, the ethernet-interface connecting to the 6k has to be the first one in the list.(you can re-order the interfaces).

[electricsky]

Maybe they could release some other algorithms with the available power .
I have not been able to connect my mac to the mainframe !
I had the same problem when i tried to upgrade the remote cpu that i can use it with the upgraded main frame and i could not manage to connect the mac and the remote cpu whereas when i tried with a PC computer with XP, i connected them in 5 minutes !
I don't know what is the problem with the mac but it seems some other people had the problem from what the guy at TC support told me !
They have the same sub mask 255.255.255.0 , different IP addresses but i can't get my mac to see the mainframe !

[kosmokrator]

Originally Posted by electricsky

Maybe they could release some other algorithms with the available power .
I have not been able to connect my mac to the mainframe !
I had the same problem when i tried to upgrade the remote cpu that i can use it with the upgraded main frame and i could not manage to connect the mac and the remote cpu whereas when i tried with a PC computer with XP, i connected them in 5 minutes !
I don't know what is the problem with the mac but it seems some other people had the problem from what the guy at TC support told me !
They have the same sub mask 255.255.255.0 , different IP addresses but i can't get my mac to see the mainframe !

try to ping the mainframe to see if the IP connection is OK.

[electricsky]

Ping ?
what is this ?

[Th3_uN1Qu3]

This is how you use ping on a mac: How to Ping on a Mac Computer | eHow.com

[electricsky]

it says one packet transmit , 0 packet received , 100% packet loss

[electricsky]

I tried with my other mac pro 8 core and it worked but maybe it's because of the firewall i had not removed on teh other one !
So, i can connect to the 6000 MKII mainframe using teh TC ICON mac editor 5.04 but when i load an LM6 in an engine slot, it seems to load but whe i'm on "library" and i click on teh engine that shopuld have teh LM6, it says empty engine, whereas when i loaded the LM6 with the remote cpu, i didn' t have this type of problem !

I have had no answer from TC support since i emailed them to ask tehm why they didn't tell me i would not be able to display th eLM6 correctly with my remote cpu MKI !!

[jhg]

Originally Posted by electricsky

I tried with my other mac pro 8 core and it worked but maybe it's because of the firewall i had not removed on teh other one !
So, i can connect to the 6000 MKII mainframe using teh TC ICON mac editor 5.04 but when i load an LM6 in an engine slot, it seems to load but whe i'm on "library" and i click on teh engine that shopuld have teh LM6, it says empty engine, whereas when i loaded the LM6 with the remote cpu, i didn' t have this type of problem !

I have had no answer from TC support since i emailed them to ask tehm why they didn't tell me i would not be able to display th eLM6 correctly with my remote cpu MKI !!

Hello,

You need Icon V6.20 or higher software to view the LM6 correctly. Let me know if you need that software, I can send you a link. You can load 6.2 on the MKI remote CPU, but the screen redraws will be faster with the MKII remote CPU. The MKII remote CPU also has a secondary ethernet port on the rear so presets can be backed up to a shared folder as well as software updates.

[electricsky]

I can't believe the TC ICON editor mac software isn't working correctly and not showing the LM6 !
Shit , i was counting on it to display the LM6 correctly ! lol

I think i will end buying an RTW digital monitor or a digital Peak meter on top of the analog one i already have, cause i wanted to use their LM6 as part of my metering tool stash (with spectrafoo complete and ozone advanced 5 as softwares) but it's just a toy with such a slow display on the remote cpu MKI and as it doesn't seem to work in the Mac editor !

Thanks for your answer.

I updated my remote cpu with the latest software i think (i will check) but the LM6 display has muchj latency and is very slow !

[jhg]

Originally Posted by electricsky

I can't believe the TC ICON editor mac software isn't working correctly and not showing the LM6 !
Shit , i was counting on it to display the LM6 correctly ! lol

I think i will end buying an RTW digital monitor or a digital Peak meter on top of the analog one i already have, cause i wanted to use their LM6 as part of my metering tool stash (with spectrafoo complete and ozone advanced 5 as softwares) but it's just a toy with such a slow display on the remote cpu MKI and as it doesn't seem to work in the Mac editor !

Thanks for your answer.

I updated my remote cpu with the latest software i think (i will check) but the LM6 display has muchj latency and is very slow !

There is a MAC version of Icon 6.20 GUI software available, I know it works with the LM6! There can be conflicts if any other network connections on the MAC are enabled when using the ethernet port for the Icon software, and fixed IPV4 must be used.

[electricsky]

i had not seen there was a tc icon V 6 .00 for mac, included with the V5.11 OS for the MKII but it doesn't work at all here !
With TC ICON 5.04 for mac (editor ) , i can connect to the mainframe but teh LM6 doesn't work and with TC ICON 6.00 for Mac (editor as well) , i can't connect to the Mainframe !

Where did you see a 6.2 TC ICON for Mac ?

The ICON remote software is 6.25 but i didn't see any Mac Editor 6.2 TC ICON !

[electricsky]

I tried with the TC ICON 5.02 FOR MAC given on the CD that was included with the M6000 MKII when it came back from the upgrade , i can connect as with the 5.04 but i can't see the LM6 !
It sems to load but when i want to see the page with teh meters and circular view, it says engine unused for each engine where i loaded the LM6 !

Is the remote cpu MKII much faster with no latency ?

[electricsky]

OK, i could make it work with TC ICON editor for Mac V 6.00, on one mac but not the other.
I think it'sbecause i'm on 10.6.4 on that mac pro and teh LM6 might not work with that OS , as it works on teh other Mac with OS 10.6.6.

The thing is that it's exactly the same problem as with the remote cpu MKI, teh display is really slow, with some latency !
There's maybe a bit less latency but it's still unuseable !
Don't you have that problem ?

[electricsky]

I can't believe the answer i got from TC support !
I wonder if i'm mad or what ! lol
The guy told me the LM6 was very useable like that and that many broadcast and TV channels and post production companies alll over the world were using it without problem !
How can they use it without problem when the meter starts to move on the snare when he should have shown the kick first ! lol

i wonder how is it called in English , in the manual, is it the " integration time " (the time a peak meter takes to react to a source ) ?

I suppose it's not a problem to use th eradar to analyse the peak information on a certain amount of time but when you want to use its peak meters to show the peaks in real time, it's unuseable !

[jhg]

Originally Posted by electricsky

I can't believe the answer i got from TC support !
I wonder if i'm mad or what ! lol
The guy told me the LM6 was very useable like that and that many broadcast and TV channels and post production companies alll over the world were using it without problem !
How can they use it without problem when the meter starts to move on the snare when he should have shown the kick first ! lol

i wonder how is it called in English , in the manual, is it the " integration time " (the time a peak meter takes to react to a source ) ?

I suppose it's not a problem to use th eradar to analyse the peak information on a certain amount of time but when you want to use its peak meters to show the peaks in real time, it's unuseable !

Hey,

Send me a PM with your email address and I'll send you a link to MAC 6.2 software. The outer ring of the radar meter, as well as the peak meters on the right will show instantaneous level. The rotating "radar" meter will show program level, which measures loudness, not peaks.