soundblade question

[Jerry Tubb]

I guess I'm not in that much of a hurry.

I'll capture my limiter processed version in sB (usually 1dB of GR) while monitoring it.

Then if I want to keep an unlimited version, I'll bypass the plug-in(s) and reprint.

Not a big deal, takes an extra 5 minutes.

We all have slightly different workflows.

soundBlade suits mine perfectly, and it sounds great.

Best, JT

[thermos]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

I guess I'm not in that much of a hurry.

I'll capture my limiter processed version in sB (usually 1dB of GR) while monitoring it.

Then if I want to keep an unlimited version, I'll bypass the plug-in(s) and reprint.

Not a big deal, takes an extra 5 minutes.

We all have slightly different workflows.

soundBlade suits mine perfectly, and it sounds great.

Best, JT*

Actually I asked someone at Sonic, and they said you can record to 4 tracks simultaneously, 1 processed (for monitoring) and 1 unprocessed. Kind of a workaround, but that helps a little. Sure does sound great, no question about that.

[MattGray]

Originally Posted by thermos

Actually I asked someone at Sonic, and they said you can record to 4 tracks simultaneously, 1 processed (for monitoring) and 1 unprocessed. Kind of a workaround, but that helps a little. Sure does sound great, no question about that.

Let me know if you actually get this to work. I tried the other day & yes it lets you record 4 tracks simultaneously but they all end up with the limiting processing on it even with the second track outputting to Master 3-4 (with no plugins). I tried heaps of other routing combinations as well but 2nd stereo track always prints with the plugin processing from Master 1-2. As mentioned in one of my previous posts even using the Lynx internal routing to duplicate inputs 3-4 (L22 AES inputs) to inputs (1-2) and assigning recording channels 1-2 to one stereo track in sB & inputs 3-4 to another stereo recording channel in sB it still records them both through Master 1-2's plug-ins.

As Jerry mentioned the only way to do it properly is to audition the settings you want & then when you're ready to print, bypass the plug-in/s to capture the A/D with no plug-in processing, then when you export your DDP you can turn them on again. Only problem with this is that if you change your limiter between songs this won't work. You'd need to apply the settings you want per song. You can do this & check the 'Edit after Export' button in the export window. Sometimes I've found this doesn't work correctly though with sB sometimes not re-importing the processed exported track (brings up an error message).

It's stuff like this that turns me off sB. I'm persevering with it for now by just printing destructively through the limiter. Which for the most part is fine unless the client wants to revise the level which involves setting up the whole analog chain & re-printing again (not very efficient).

If anyone knows of a way to record a pre & post plug-in capture simultaneously in sB 2.0 I'd love to know.

[thermos]

Ok, good to know. I didn't try it yet.

[Jerry Tubb]

From my viewpoint, the idea is to work with your chosen DAW software, rather than against it.

In a larger sense, such is life : - )

If you like the sound and other features of sB 2 enough, then you won't mind making a 2nd pass with plugs bypassed.

Best, JT

[thermos]

Another question, do you folks know if dither is enabled on the capture part of Soundblade, if its capturing the dither as well?

[thermos]

Ok, another one.

Really bad errors today. I used Ozone 5 on a few tracks of the EDL, everything plays back fine in the session. Though when I burn a DDP I'm getting skips galore on the tracks that I used Ozone on (the AU version). I've disabled spotlight and basically done everything they've suggested. Also I wrote ISRCs but only 1 of the 10 songs' ISRC codes shows up.

I actually sent the master yesterday to the client (via the seure player) and he found the errors. I found out today that I was using an older version of SE (2.0, instead of 2.01). I updated, but it didn't fix anything. Anyone had these kinds of problems with plugins?

[Thor]

Dither can be turned on/off in the main EDL panel, or in prefs. You can also choose the bit depth in the same place(s).

Haven't used Ozone in years, running Sony Oxford Limiter here, and it works fine. No problems with ISRCs either, SecurePlayer works as advertised.

Did you deliver an image then burn a CD, or what? Are you delivering to the same drive as your original tracks, or a separate one? Does it play back ok? Is your computer underpowered? What speed did you deliver at? Do the errors appear at all delivery speeds?

Cheers,
Thor

[thermos]

Originally Posted by Thor

Dither can be turned on/off in the main EDL panel, or in prefs. You can also choose the bit depth in the same place(s).

Haven't used Ozone in years, running Sony Oxford Limiter here, and it works fine. No problems with ISRCs either, SecurePlayer works as advertised.

Did you deliver an image then burn a CD, or what? Are you delivering to the same drive as your original tracks, or a separate one? Does it play back ok? Is your computer underpowered? What speed did you deliver at? Do the errors appear at all delivery speeds?

Cheers,
Thor

Thanks about the Dither. I know about those setting locations, I just didn't know if turning dither on would capture the dithered signal while I'm recording to Soundblade.

I am using Ozone 5 on individual tracks, not on the meter outputs. It plays back error free in the EDL, when I make a DDP and a CD, errors show up on both (secure player and CD) in the same places. Delivering on a separate drive from the session folders. Computer is 8 core 2.8 ghz with 10g of ram. I tried it at 8x and max delivery speeds. May just be an f'ed up EDL, but it is very worrying nonetheless.

Thanks for the help. Much appreciated.

[Thor]

What you may want to try, if it's playing back correctly, is to try a 1x speed delivery. If that works, there's something wrong with the non-realtime processing. I had this happen once when working with Flux plugins, everything was fine on playback/1x delivery, but anything faster resulted in all sorts of nasties. Having more than a few problems with Flux products regardless of host DAW, I went with other solutions.

Your computer sounds up to it, I'd try a 1x and maybe let Sonic know you're having issues, they might be able to help.

Thor

[thermos]

Originally Posted by Thor

What you may want to try, if it's playing back correctly, is to try a 1x speed delivery. If that works, there's something wrong with the non-realtime processing. I had this happen once when working with Flux plugins, everything was fine on playback/1x delivery, but anything faster resulted in all sorts of nasties. Having more than a few problems with Flux products regardless of host DAW, I went with other solutions.

Your computer sounds up to it, I'd try a 1x and maybe let Sonic know you're having issues, they might be able to help.

Thor

Aha, I like your style. For now I tried trashing prefs and reinstalling (and making a new session), I'll see if that fixes it. If not I'll try 1x. I did notify Sonic, I'll see what they say. Thanks.

[thermos]

Thor, I think you solved it. Its not correctly doing faster than realtime ddp creation. Did you find any workaround other than not using the offending plugins?

[finetuner]

While it defeats the purpose of automation (sort of), you may try export the 'ozone' tracks separately with auto-import into edl checked.
If that works, you can do a plain delivery without plugs with all tracks pre-processed and at least the whole process would take less time than realtime delivery.

Another thing you could try is using vst version if available.
I notice difference in behavior between versions of plugs sometimes (f.i. psp, bx)

[thermos]

Originally Posted by finetuner

While it defeats the purpose of automation (sort of), you may try export the 'ozone' tracks separately with auto-import into edl checked.
If that works, you can do a plain delivery without plugs with all tracks pre-processed and at least the whole process would take less time than realtime delivery.

Another thing you could try is using vst version if available.
I notice difference in behavior between versions of plugs sometimes (f.i. psp, bx)

Thanks, I think Sonic recommends using the AU version of everything, but I'll give the VST a try. I'll let you guys know what they say.

[finetuner]

Originally Posted by thermos

I think Sonic recommends using the AU version of everything..

They do, yet ironically, their own Sonic eq plug comes in vst only ...

[Thor]

I use plugins so infrequently I never really dug much deeper. I did notify Flux and Sonic of the problem, for all I know they worked the kinks out. There are so many alternatives I didn't need to go with Flux and ended up using both Sony Oxford (EQ, Limiter) and the SonicEQ (which is really nice).

Ozone is well enough known that I would think if there are bugs hosting it in a DAW that they (both parties) would be interested in addressing the problems asap, assuming someone lets them know about it...

Thor

Originally Posted by thermos

Thor, I think you solved it. Its not correctly doing faster than realtime ddp creation. Did you find any workaround other than not using the offending plugins?

[Mr.O]

Hi,

I am demoing Soundblade 2 at the moment and I have all files in
88.2 Khz with Avid Omni as IO

when I try to burn a CD, I am told, that the session has to be 44.1Khz

okay, what to do??

it the same with the internal core driver at 96 Khz

any answer??

Thanks

Mr.O

[Riccardo]

I know it sounds obvious but in order to burn a CD you will need to saple rate convert your files. You can use soundBlade SRC to do that. sB won't automatically do it for you if that is what you were expecting.

[Mr.O]

Yes I know, but how can you do?
I want to do it at the end of the other processing

thanks

Mr.O

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by Mr.O

Yes I know, but how can you do?
I want to do it at the end of the other processing

thanks

Mr.O

Use soundBlade's Batch Processor to SRC the 88.2 files to 44.1.

Then proceed as normal to assemble and burn your CDs.

Best, JT

[thermos]

2.02 update: what happened to Izotope MBIT dither? Now I get shaped pdf and shaped dither as my only 2 options...

[Riccardo]

Originally Posted by thermos

2.02 update: what happened to Izotope MBIT dither? Now I get shaped pdf and shaped dither as my only 2 options...

Ah! Downloaded but not installed yet ..... do we get more features or less?

[thermos]

Originally Posted by Riccardo

Ah! Downloaded but not installed yet ..... do we get more features or less?

Well, more as of the read me file, I don't see how this would have changed. No mention of it in the read me.

[thermos]

And check this out. Now the sample rate converter no longer says powered by Izotope. Did they lose their Izotope license? That would be seriously whack if they didn't tell us.

[Soundmaster Alex]

Reviving this thread to add a question for all you SB 2.0 users. We have NoNoise FX. Is there no way to scrub for clicks any more like in old Sonic, holding down alt & dragging?
Have I missed something here? It's really annoying to zoom in and find the click when they're hard to spot.

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by Soundmaster Alex

Reviving this thread to add a question for all you SB 2.0 users. We have NoNoise FX. Is there no way to scrub for clicks any more like in old Sonic, holding down alt & dragging?
Have I missed something here? It's really annoying to zoom in and find the click when they're hard to spot.

Yes it would be nice if there were a PT style scrubbing, much like tape-rocking, which is the ultimate IMO, but none in sB yet.

Most of us have developed a fluid "zoom-in to smaller & smaller segments and scroll" technique that works well for finding those pesky clicks.

Or alternately, select the general area and use DeCrackle :-)

Best, JT

[StephenMarsh]

Originally Posted by Soundmaster Alex

Reviving this thread to add a question for all you SB 2.0 users. We have NoNoise FX. Is there no way to scrub for clicks any more like in old Sonic, holding down alt & dragging?
Have I missed something here? It's really annoying to zoom in and find the click when they're hard to spot.

Alternately - you could use Izotope spectral - see the click, remove it flawlessly in a fraction of the time it takes NN, and jettison sonic's bug-ridden software altogether.

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by StephenMarsh

Alternately - you could use Izotope spectral - see the click, remove it flawlessly in a fraction of the time it takes NN.

I use Izotope RX spectral editor as well.

It approaches the problem from a different angle, and can be amazing.

But often SSNN is faster for me. Depends on the fix.

Best, JT

[Soundmaster Alex]

Hey guys,

new issue with SB 2.02

Having problems with file exporting as follows:

Highlight a region>File>Export Sound File> export menu configuration however I want it (in this case exporting 24 bit wav, the same as the project's record settings>export the file and it puts clicks on, and sometimes hideous crackle on one channel. The meters are popping into the red regardless of the audio content.

Also problem exporting the EDL via File>Export tracks>just comes up with an error message (I think it was 6169).

Any users of this software having similar problems? It's driving us up the wall!
The only things I can think are causing this are:

clock
sample rate
bit rate
a bug

Any help greatly appreciated asap!

[reynaud]

Originally Posted by Soundmaster Alex

Any users of this software having similar problems?

Which sB build are you using?

Are you using any plugins or gain changes/gain nodes?

Are you able to export successfully if you change dither type?

have you tested exporting using a new Project?

Can you export successfully using the fast export functions? (Export AIFF or Export EDL)

cheers,
Reynaud