What is the right mastering EQ for Hiphop and Dance

[Joji]

I am looking for a 2 bus and mastering EQ. I am mixin gHiphop and Dance music. I am interested in the cranesong Ibis, Avalon 2055 or Manley Massive Passive.
Which one has the best low end since low end is #1 priority in this style of music.

Also some people say the Avalon is pillowy. What does that mean.
thanks

[TrainwrEQ]

avalon seems to be a standard rack tool for hiphop. I personally use plugins. Most hiphop is sample based and electronic synthed anyhow. pillowy means it dont punch like ya get outta pushin up the 100k for a kick.

[dhiltonlittle]

get an ibis and an api 5500.

those two will cover your bases for any style of music.

[diogo_c]

Dance can be done on plugins like DMG Equality. thumbsup

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by Joji

I am looking for a 2 bus and mastering EQ. I am mixin gHiphop and Dance music. I am interested in the cranesong Ibis, Avalon 2055 or Manley Massive Passive.
Which one has the best low end since low end is #1 priority in this style of music.

Also some people say the Avalon is pillowy. What does that mean.
thanks

Low end, High End and Mid end are set during the mix, not in mastering.

If the low end is not right even after you've mix down, then you got more work to do. Don't rely on mastering to fix bad choices done in the production and in the mix.

Pillowy means soft or feathery, like a pillow. Soft hi's,lows and mids.

[Silver Sonya]

Strongly agree with the post above mine.

Make smart judgements with respect to EQ on the individual elements of your mix. Also: relative proportions is key. That's how you get a great low-end in hip hop or, really, any genre.

Mix-buss EQ: overrated.

Save your dough and develop a good rapport with a mastering person whose work you like.

- c

[inlinenl]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Low end, High End and Mid end are set during the mix, not in mastering.

okay maybe on those real pro transparent/settled mixes , made in good rooms by fantastic engineers/producers , but wow you should see the clean up we have to do these days ....
okay paramount is I don't want to change the mix, but I dont mind digging in deep to get it where I think it should go/be ... you can judge me after that ...

[streetbeats]

Originally Posted by inlinenl

okay maybe on those real pro transparent/settled mixes , made in good rooms by fantastic engineers/producers , but wow you should see the clean up we have to do these days ....
okay paramount is I don't want to change the mix, but I dont mind digging in deep to get it where I think it should go/be ... you can judge me after that ...

The OP mentioned he was mixing Hip Hop and Dance music.

I think thrill and silver might have just been suggesting that the better approach would be to go back to the individual elements in the mix and address any imbalances there.

Then send to a good ME.

[inlinenl]

Originally Posted by streetbeats

The OP mentioned he was mixing Hip Hop and Dance music.

I think thrill and silver might have just been suggesting that the better approach would be to go back to the individual elements in the mix and address any imbalances there.

Then send to a good ME.

sure you're right ... the best start is a great mix .... so the best advice would be get your mix room setup the best you can so you can actually hear what you're doing .. and then maybe think on some mix-buss gear ... but if the OP has a good room or is a good mixer/producer then okay maybe a mix-bus-EQ could be just a ticket for him ... but there are so much more variables in this question ...

trust your mix ...

[streetbeats]

Originally Posted by inlinenl

sure you're right ... the best start is a great mix .... so the best advice would be get your mix room setup the best you can so you can actually hear what your doing ..

Completely agree Wim

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by WBM

Most of the material (indie), is been made in bad room and in most of them are issues in the low end, not enough bass traps....
So get an Eq with nice mids and Highs and something to polish the low, could be a Bax or an MEA-2 to fix it.

On which planet would this really work?

In true Gearslutz fashion if your mixes are bad throw a bunch of compressors and EQ's at it. And when that doesn't work add 20 bass traps. And when that don't work add some expensive conversion and a fancy summing box.

And when that don't work by a GS mug and T-shirt.

Yeah...that's the ticket!!!

[spicemix]

I think the 2055 is great for Jazz. I don't know if I'd use "pillowy" that is a thrillfactor term. For hip hop I would use...plugins!

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by spicemix

I don't know if I'd use "pillowy" that is a thrillfactor term.

Sorry can't claim to that one. That was term bantied about when it was used a lot in its heyday and it really seem fitting.

Now "feathery", that's all me right there.

Seriously, its a great EQ and when used on the right sources, in the right context, works really well. I use my Avalon E55's all the time when mixing vocals, bass or piano and we are talking about everything from R&B to classical.

I don't think i've ever used it on the mixbuss though and tha's more because its always being used in the mix.

[jackthebear]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

On which planet would this really work?

In true Gearslutz fashion if your mixes are bad throw a bunch of compressors and EQ's at it. And when that doesn't work add 20 bass traps. And when that don't work add some expensive conversion and a fancy summing box.

And when that don't work by a GS mug and T-shirt.

Yeah...that's the ticket!!!

And make sure you order the high res thread count T-shirt.......coz the higher the number the better......I read it on the internots and more people voted for them in the poll........

[Doc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by Joji

I am looking for a 2 bus and mastering EQ. I am mixin gHiphop and Dance music. I am interested in the cranesong Ibis, Avalon 2055 or Manley Massive Passive.
Which one has the best low end since low end is #1 priority in this style of music.

Also some people say the Avalon is pillowy. What does that mean.
thanks

The shaping and sculpting that you can do with all of those equalizers is marvelous. I like the Avalon least in your list - but when that stuff is "right" its amazing. When its not "right" it takes 3.7438 seconds for me to unscrew it from a wasted set of patch points. The IBIS is a tonal resonator machine, has unreal tone shaping and unique distortion variability, while the Massive Passive is extremely versatile since it can do 5 overlapping shelving filters if you desire it to. Its a carving beast, and put in the right hands you can do anything with it. At least, I can raise Lucifer from hell or pull god from heaven and smash the planet to bits with that monster.

[WBM]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

On which planet would this really work?

In true Gearslutz fashion if your mixes are bad throw a bunch of compressors and EQ's at it. And when that doesn't work add 20 bass traps. And when that don't work add some expensive conversion and a fancy summing box.

And when that don't work by a GS mug and T-shirt.

Yeah...that's the ticket!!!

In my world so......
You right what the heck, I can even type after too many shots.
I don't need a freaking mug of coffee from a NYC deli (water) that's for Pu**y's and I'm mastering naked so keep the shirt dude.

Get the 2055

[TRJanuary]

Originally Posted by TrainwrEQ

pushin up the 100k for a kick.

??????????????

[waveterm]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

in true gearslutz fashion if your mixes are bad throw a bunch of compressors and eq's at it. And when that doesn't work add 20 bass traps. And when that don't work add some expensive conversion and a fancy summing box.

And when that don't work by a gs mug and t-shirt.

Yeah...that's the ticket!!!

+1

wt