Algorithmix EQ

[Fabmaster]

Running Algorithmix Red Demo.
Sounds very good. I'm running Sequoia 7
on a P4 2.6 with 512 M of RAM.
This sytem has been serving me well for years and never had a problem running plugs and burning to disc.
The Algorithmix plug is not running so well,
added a click to the top of some tracks when burning a CD.
Should I add RAM?

[Th3_uN1Qu3]

Rendering quality should have nothing to do with system configuration. Time on the other hand does... but if you had the patience i bet you could render it on a PII. My best guess is that something is clipping somewhere or there's a bug in the plugin.

[Fabmaster]

Um. okay................ Is there someone with even a bit of experience
with this software who would care to respond?

Sounds fine during real time playback. Feels like it hiccups
when kicking in at the start of tracks on CD.

[echoRausch]

Maybe it's some kind of demo-limitation? Playback yes - rendering no?

[OMF]

Hi Fabmaster,

most likely a problem with the wav files that are underlying the objects in your vip - check if there is enough leader in the wav files for the Red to fill its enormous buffer. If not, try to add 2 seconds of silence to the beginning of each physical wav file (not the vip object)

greets

prozak

[Fabmaster]

Thanks Prozak. That makes sense. I suppose I could freeze each track
seperately then run the CD from there. My usual way of working
is to process to CD. I always leave the objects in their original state
in the VIP. This make revisions quick work. So, in your opinion,
more processing power and/or memory would not solve this?

[Fabmaster]

^Thanks. That's helpful.

[lowland]

Do you specifically need linear phase? Algorithmix Blue also sounds very good, albeit minimum phase: I've been using it for some years, and one of the advantages for me is that the CPU load is relatively light compared to Red and Orange - perhaps that would help.

[Fabmaster]

I'll check it out. I'm enchanted by the sound of the RED.
Smooth sweet easy high end. Able to boost lows without bloating and boom. Really nice.

[lowland]

Originally Posted by Fabmaster

I'll check it out. I'm enchanted by the sound of the RED.
Smooth sweet easy high end. Able to boost lows without bloating and boom. Really nice.

Yes, this is what Red owners say to me, although I haven't heard it myself. Hopefully you'll find the Blue demo as useful, just in a different way, and avoid the problems you're getting at the moment.

[blusound]

Hi Fabmaster,
what do you mean with "not running so well"?
Are you using it in track or object? Which are your buffer settings?
The first thing to do with a linear phase EQ is to set at maximum size the ASIO buffer and set the VIP buffer double at least.
There are some issues with algorithmix red and Samplitude/Sequoia when used in object but it should work fine in track.
Best regards
Leo

[tomasrangel]

Originally Posted by blusound

Hi Fabmaster,
what do you mean with "not running so well"?
Are you using it in track or object? Which are your buffer settings?
The first thing to do with a linear phase EQ is to set at maximum size the ASIO buffer and set the VIP buffer double at least.
There are some issues with algorithmix red and Samplitude/Sequoia when used in object but it should work fine in track.
Best regards
Leo

In Samplitude i use to insert Spitfish before Algorithmix plugins when i use it on objects.
It avoid all crashes in Sam.

[Fabmaster]

Originally Posted by blusound

Hi Fabmaster,
what do you mean with "not running so well"?
Are you using it in track or object? Which are your buffer settings?
The first thing to do with a linear phase EQ is to set at maximum size the ASIO buffer and set the VIP buffer double at least.
There are some issues with algorithmix red and Samplitude/Sequoia when used in object but it should work fine in track.
Best regards
Leo

I mean that when I export audio it produces a kind of
hiccup/skip kind of thing at the beginning of the track.
I am using the object editor to apply processing.
Driver System = WDM
I haven't used ASIO drivers, is there a benefit?
VIP Buffer 16000
What issues ?

[Fabmaster]

Originally Posted by OMF

Hi Fabmaster,

most likely a problem with the wav files that are underlying the objects in your vip - check if there is enough leader in the wav files for the Red to fill its enormous buffer. If not, try to add 2 seconds of silence to the beginning of each physical wav file (not the vip object)

greets

prozak

That's got it. Thank you.

[blusound]

Originally Posted by Fabmaster

I mean that when I export audio it produces a kind of
hiccup/skip kind of thing at the beginning of the track.
I am using the object editor to apply processing.
Driver System = WDM
I haven't used ASIO drivers, is there a benefit?
VIP Buffer 16000
What issues ?

Hi Fabmaster,
in Samplitude / Sequoia applying a plug that use a very big buffer size or a dynamic kernel on object makes a glitch on object fade. It's a knew issues. For sure it happens with algorithmix split-comp and with sonnox derresser. But using the same plugs on track work correctly or try to remove the fade if you can.
Linear phase EQ need a big audio buffer to work correctly it's a peculiarity of the math used to produce linear filter.
If your audio card support ASIO try it.
Best regards
Leo

[OMF]

Hi Fabmaster,
cool, it almost seems that the Red needs some beef to bite into :-)
If you add the 2 secs of silence to the wav file, they do not need to be represented in the vip object....as long as they are in the underlying wav file the red does not seem to care if they are represented in the timeline.

You'll notice that adding the 2 seconds in the wav will displace the end of the object in the vip. You can reset that using the object editor.

greets

prozak

[Fabmaster]

Prozak,

Thanks for the help. I was able to move the fade-in earlier
on one of the tracks because the wav file already had some
silence at the top. You're saying to leave the fade in early
in the sequence and put the start flag in the proper place so the
EQ has a change to kick in?
Also, forgive me, but I work ITB, not a pitch and catch situation,
how do I add silence without adding another crossfade?

[ed littman]

You definatly need some extra wav space on the top when using this plug. Make sure the plug is on while deciding spacing xfades etc., as their is latency. I never burn a disc from a EDL that has live plugins I always render/bounce to a new file for burning.

Ed

[Fabmaster]

So the conclusion is that special consideration must be had when using the Algorithmix RED EQ. I'm wondering if it's worth the extra effort (and headache) when so many great sounding plugins are available that don't require any fuss.

[lowland]

Originally Posted by Fabmaster

So the conclusion is that special consideration must be had when using the Algorithmix RED EQ. I'm wondering if it's worth the extra effort (and headache) when so many great sounding plugins are available that don't require any fuss.

That's a good reason to try the Blue, I would think :-)

[Fabmaster]

Originally Posted by ed littman

You definatly need some extra wav space on the top when using this plug. Make sure the plug is on while deciding spacing xfades etc., as their is latency. I never burn a disc from a EDL that has live plugins I always render/bounce to a new file for burning.

Ed

Ed, can you explain what you mean by "extra wave space" on the top?
What do you do if the file has no silence at the top? How can one do a transistion where there is no space? Do you render each track seperately then sequence the processed files? Sorry for all the questions
as I'm a little confused and really like the sound of the EQ but I wouldn't
purchase it if it's a pain in the ass as it would require extra QC because
of this peculiarity.

[huejahfink]

Why not ask the team?

pro-support@algorithmix.com

+49-7741-919300

From my previous communications with them, I understand that the plug is substantially tested in Sequoia. Perhaps there is a simple setting that needs changing somewhere.

[Bob Olhsson]

There's a bug in Samplitude that affects plug-ins having a great deal of latency. If you play a bit of silence after the last object before you bounce it will prevent the clicks.

[Fabmaster]

Bob, I'm not clear on what you mean. Would you please explain?
Also, Samplitude and Sequoia?
Just put the play curser somewhere after program
play a bit then burn the CD? Really?

[Bob Olhsson]

Yes, it emptys the buffers.

[Fabmaster]

I put the Algo EQ on every track of a 10 track LP (along with the
other plugs that were already there) played some silence
after the last track, burned live to CD. No hiccups. Sounds fine.
Thanks Bob, it was that simple.

[mworks]

Whenever I migrate to a new host and try to reinstall the Algo plugs it is a huge PITA.....and I am finding that again only moreso this time.

I have the Chromium plug installed fine and working within software OTHER than Seq and it's fine. Seq won't see them. I can't get either blue or red to install at all. THe support is not only slow, they are not being especially helpful. The install process is arcane enough but dang the thing should work. Every other plug has!

Any others dealing with problems/have special sauce to offer.

You may assume we have tried all the usual things suggested by the typical tech support drones (reinstall, reboot, re-everything)

I might simply abandon 7 and 64 bit right now given how much energy this is consuming.

And

Anyone else run Splitcom under Seq and having a regular crashing problem, esp when it is instantiated in an object and encounters a crossfade?

[PBM]

Originally Posted by OMF

Hi Fabmaster,

most likely a problem with the wav files that are underlying the objects in your vip - check if there is enough leader in the wav files for the Red to fill its enormous buffer. If not, try to add 2 seconds of silence to the beginning of each physical wav file (not the vip object)

greets

prozak

Sounds right: I get the same issue in Sequoia trying to run the Suppresser with a short leader file.

@OP: have you tried the Sonoris MEQ? Sounds as good as the Red and is easy enough on CPU I sometimes use it pre-Sonnox to prevent this kind of problem.


Cheers,

Eric

[Tube World]

On a side note, I want to encourage you to at least try the latest version of Sequia and Samp. It has improved so much since 7 including a great linear Eq and amazing compressor calls Ammunition.

[DominicWyeth]

+1 for the eq