Your Favorite Limiter Plugin?

[soundgeezer]

The net is full of employees that support their companys. At leat Brian doesn't hide it.

[macc]

Fair enough.... but please do lighten up a bit

[Table Of Tone]

It's a great limiter for trumpet blowers!
Specially if the artist is blowing his own one!

[Brian @ IK]

Originally Posted by soundgeezer

The net is full of employees that support their companys. At leat Brian doesn't hide it.

My job is to support our users in the community, actually.
But when I saw this poll, I had to wonder why T-RackS was overlooked, because the models in T-RackS can stand with any of those listed.

We first released T-RackS in 1999, and we were one of the first developers doing true analog modeling, even back then. We've had a long time for T-RackS to develop and mature, and the new models in the most recent generation of T-RackS can go head to head against similar models from developers costing up to 4x as much.

Go ahead and try a fully working 10-day demo and see what you're missing. Thanks!

[Table Of Tone]

Originally Posted by Brian @ IK

My job is to support our users in the community, actually.
But when I saw this poll, I had to wonder why T-RackS was overlooked, because the models in T-RackS can stand with any of those listed.

We first released T-RackS in 1999, and we were one of the first developers doing true analog modeling, even back then. We've had a long time for T-RackS to develop and mature, and the new models in the most recent generation of T-RackS can go head to head against similar models from developers costing up to 4x as much.

Go ahead and try a fully working 10-day demo and see what you're missing. Thanks!

To be honest, the reason it's been overlooked is because it's not as popular among mastering engineers as the models listed.

Also, I think that you cheapened it too much by offering six T-Racks plugs for the price of one, a couple years ago.

Mastering engineers can't be seen to be using something that their clients probably already have.

Even if it is actually OK, you guys have shot yourselves in the foot by doing those super cheap special offers.

I know that what I'm saying probably seems absurd, but people just won't hold the same mental value to it!

It's true!

[maxwelldub]

Elephant still wins, been meaning to try out Pro-L tho

[huejahfink]

Originally Posted by Table Of Tone

To be honest, the reason it's been overlooked is because it's not as popular among mastering engineers as the models listed.

Also, I think that you cheapened it too much by offering six T-Racks plugs for the price of one, a couple years ago.

Mastering engineers can't be seen to be using something that their clients probably already have.

Even if it is actually OK, you guys have shot yourselves in the foot by doing those super cheap special offers.

I know that what I'm saying probably seems absurd, but people just won't hold the same mental value to it!

It's true!

There's maybe some truth in that... but if you consider that Elephant and Ozone ARE very popular amongst mastering engineers, I don't think either having a low price or a high likelihood of being in their clients' boxes seems to have ruined their reputation as being excellent tools.
By the same token, the TC Limiters are expensive, not particularly 'easy' to obtain due to them being tied to hardware - and are also highly regarded. They're not on the list either.

[jeff_free69]

Originally Posted by Brian @ IK

Because I believe in the tools that my company develops, and I use them every day, of course. Have since long before I starting working for IK.

Omitting T-Racks was an oversight . I switched to it from the UAD Precision. T-Racks is more versatile and sounds better if you looking to push it hard, and its as simple as it gets. I'd say its in the same league with Vox Elephant.

[Brian @ IK]

Thanks Jeff. As you already know, when you download the T-RackS demo and run it through the paces, you'll discover that our models are true to the original hardware that many mastering engineers have considered to be the "holy grail" for decades. We pride ourselves on having the most accurate emulations you can find, modeled on actual hardware units we have scientifically measured.

Table of Tone, I don't buy it that top mastering engineers would choose their tools based on herd mentality, keeping up with the Joneses, or anything other than their own ears. You are certainly free to do that if you wish, but you are doing your clients a disservice if you do.

[macc]

Originally Posted by Brian @ IK

Thanks Jeff. As you already know, when you download the T-RackS demo and run it through the paces, you'll discover that our models are true to the original hardware that many mastering engineers have considered to be the "holy grail" for decades. We pride ourselves on having the most accurate emulations you can find, modeled on actual hardware units we have scientifically measured.

Which holy grail hardware brickwall limiter did you scientifically measure?

[Brian @ IK]

I'm talking about the Fairchild 670 model here, clearly, not the Brickwall Limiter.
But I appreciate your attempt.

[macc]

Sorry, it's ever so difficult to keep up. Perhaps you could give each post a title to let us know which product you're telling us about..?

Anyway, the spamming's worked - I'll give the T-racks limiter * a try. Why not










* brickwall, btw

[StephenWiley]

Originally Posted by Brian @ IK

I'm talking about the Fairchild 670 model here, clearly, not the Brickwall Limiter.
But I appreciate your attempt.

Not trying to start a war of words here but the UAD Fairchild puts the IK one to shame.

The Brickwall Limiter and Linear Phase EQ are worthy enough to be used by professionals but IMO that is it.

[Mercado_Negro]

Pro-L, Elephant, IK Brickwall, Xenon and FG-X are all good limiters if you do a good job or has a good mix before 'hitting' them.

TB Barricade has my vote though it's not included in the list.

P.S. I used the UAD Fairchild 670 for years but I replaced it for IK's version, much better in my opinion.

Cheers

[bmanic]

Originally Posted by StephenWiley

Not trying to start a war of words here but the UAD Fairchild puts the IK one to shame.

Yeah, not starting any wars here but the IK Fairchild is an infinitely more complex design than the UAD Fairchild (this is a fact and can be measured in Christian Budde's analyzer) and in my opinion sounds better.

*launching missiles*

Cheers!
bManic

[Table Of Tone]

Originally Posted by Brian @ IK

Thanks Jeff. As you already know, when you download the T-RackS demo and run it through the paces, you'll discover that our models are true to the original hardware that many mastering engineers have considered to be the "holy grail" for decades. We pride ourselves on having the most accurate emulations you can find, modeled on actual hardware units we have scientifically measured.

Table of Tone, I don't buy it that top mastering engineers would choose their tools based on herd mentality, keeping up with the Joneses, or anything other than their own ears. You are certainly free to do that if you wish, but you are doing your clients a disservice if you do.

The fact is that many top shelf ME's (probably around 50%) don't even like the sound of, or even use plugs and are definitely not doing their clients a disservice by not using an IK plug!

There's quite a few other limiters that are not on the list.
What about the Loud Max CubeTec VPI, for instance?

I'm not saying that IK plugs are in any way bad, as plugs go, but you seem to be overly defending your plugs and at the same time, trying to hard sell them on this forum.

This comes accross in a bad way!

[PBM]

Originally Posted by Brian @ IK

I'm talking about the Fairchild 670 model here, clearly, not the Brickwall Limiter.
But I appreciate your attempt.

But isn't this a Brickwall poll?

The new Fab-L is a smile-maker.

[kdf]

This inspired me to do my own tests. From the votes in the poll I chose Izotope, Voxengo Elephant, Oxford Limiter, and Flux Pure limiter (after reading the post by Largerfeldt). For me the Oxford and the Izotope lacked clarity and depth compared to the other two. I did battle a bit with setting up Flux, but after reading Largerfeldt's suggested set up it was better. BUT when I did an AB with the Elephant & Flux, I preferred Elephant. I used a rock track. With Elephant I got a lot of loudness without the snare drum losing its punch and being pushed back like Izotpoe and Oxford did for the same 'loudness'. Flux always sounded good, but I could not get the same 'loudness' as Elephant.

[megahurt]

Originally Posted by jacko

Massey L2007

yep

[Beatworld]

Originally Posted by kdf

From the votes in the poll I chose Izotope, Voxengo Elephant, Oxford Limiter, and Flux Pure limiter (after reading the post by Largerfeldt)

Just curious why you didn't try Fabfilter Pro-L as well ?
From the votes on the poll it is a clear 3rd which is pretty good considering the top 2 have been out for years.
Lagerfeldt has the Fabfilter Pro-L if you check out his kit list

[kdf]

Originally Posted by Beatworld

Just curious why you didn't try Fabfilter Pro-L as well ?
From the votes on the poll it is a clear 3rd which is pretty good considering the top 2 have been out for years.
Lagerfeldt has the Fabfilter Pro-L if you check out his kit list

I will try it now. It can get ear bogling to try to compare too many at a time! This comparison thing is quite an art, and I can't say I am the best at it. That's why I enjoy this kind of poll, as long as it doesn't get bogged down with meaningless auguments.

[Andy W.]

MsDSP ML4000

[spstudios]

I use a couple - Sonnox - L2 - and Roger Nichols Finis (my favorite)

[kdf]

Originally Posted by Beatworld

Just curious why you didn't try Fabfilter Pro-L as well ?
From the votes on the poll it is a clear 3rd which is pretty good considering the top 2 have been out for years.
Lagerfeldt has the Fabfilter Pro-L if you check out his kit list

Wow! I like this! Just downloaded the FabFilter Pro-L. for me this puts the Pro-L and the Elephant at the top of the list. I need to do more listening tests, but I like the fact that on the Pro-L there is lots of control to tweek settings until it works for the song. It is great to have presets that actually work, and then being able to tweek everything that matters - This is for me. And it sounds great!

[GoldMember]

Originally Posted by Brian @ IK

our models are true to the original hardware that many mastering engineers have considered to be the "holy grail" for decades.

What´s the hardware version of the Yellow EQ & Compressor?
Gyraff ?

[henryrobinett]

None of those. I love the Metric Halo Limiter that comes as part of their DSP package.

[GoldMember]

Originally Posted by Retinal

Yeah, Sonnox is probably still the loudest one..

no, the PSP xenon
or the SonicTimeWorks Mastering Compressor are LOUDER!.

[Virtalahde]

Elephant and Pro-L here. Both are excellent.

The current Elephant has too many unnecessary knobs, but still sounds great. The Pro-L is my new favourite, highly and easily tweakable work horse. Yesterday I went with the Pro-L, today with the Elephant.

[GoldMember]

Originally Posted by ep1c0ne

I'm pretty sure these are the most popular cross platform limiter plugins. What's your favorite?

720 Dominator « Aphex

[Riccardo]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Pro-L, Elephant, IK Brickwall, Xenon and FG-X are all good limiters if you do a good job or has a good mix before 'hitting' them.

TB Barricade has my vote though it's not included in the list.

P.S. I used the UAD Fairchild 670 for years but I replaced it for IK's version, much better in my opinion.

Cheers

Barricade seems nice, don't like the way control reacts to fine adjustments but mybe it is just me.......