4th November 2010
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#1 | | Gear Head
Joined: Aug 2007 Location: London, UK
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Thread Starter | Tips for mastering sound effects / music stings for mobile phones - android / iphone
Hey, I am currently making some sounds / music stings for an iphone/android application (it's my first phone app. sound work). They are all notification sounds for when something happens; some of them are musical, some of them are more sound effect based.
I have transferred some onto my iphone 4 to test out how they sound and I am not that pleased, some are distorting a bit on playback, and they are generally quite quiet. I figure that I should cut any low bass out, and maybe notch out the more resonant low mids, and ultimately apply some light limiting, but has anyone got any other tips? Also, I am nervous about supplying the final files pushed up to 0dbfs, should I leave a little headroom?
My client knows nothing about this stuff and I can't find any guidelines about this kind of audio work on the internet anywhere - any comments / advice would be much appreciated!
Cheers,
Will
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4th November 2010
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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You could most likely go a little conservative on level and the low end.
Maybe concentrate more on the mono information and make sure the conversion quality is good to what ever the format is that you have to deliver them in.
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4th November 2010
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#3 | | Lives for gear
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I would be carefull on cutting low-end , if you cut to much it will sound thin ..
and if you put in real low-end it wont be a problem , because the speakers won't play it ... but maybe the user will have it on headphones or connected .. so then your lost ...
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4th November 2010
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#4 | | Gear Head
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Thanks guys,
Point taken about it being good in mono... and maybe it's worth converting some to low rate mp3s to see how they are affected by the compression.
It's a fair point about headphones... and people on an ipad or something with larger speakers would benefit from something fuller.
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4th November 2010
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#5 | | Gear nut
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a lot of iPhone apps that contain audio use mono 96-110kbps VBR AAC to keep file sizes down. You'd be surprised how many of sound designers actually roll off below 50 - 100Hz and often they even filter out everything above 10kHz (normally within FMOD Designer).
129th AES Convention has a iPhone Sound Design—Lessons Learned tutorial. Not sure if a video download will be available at a later stage.
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4th November 2010
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#6 | | Gear Head
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Thanks Reynaud,
I will keep my eyes peeled for that vid if it comes up... out of interest, do you need to be a member to see stuff like that?
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4th November 2010
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#7 | | Gear nut
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yes, you'd have to join the AES but it's only $99 a year (or $39 as a student). 3rd worlders pay less than the standard rate.
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5th November 2010
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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I have transferred some onto my iphone 4 to test out how they sound and I am not that pleased, some are distorting a bit on playback, and they are generally quite quiet. I figure that I should cut any low bass out, and maybe notch out the more resonant low mids, and ultimately apply some light limiting, but has anyone got any other tips? Also, I am nervous about supplying the final files pushed up to 0dbfs, should I leave a little headroom?
| I make ringtones in my spare time and I make great money with it. The thing ive learned is that you need to set your ceiling for your peak limiter during the mastering phase between -0.8dB to -0.6dB to allow for all the conversions necessary.
If your songs are not translating (not sounding good on your phones) then you need to address that issue. That's a big issues and there are many factors, Ike your room your mixing and mastering in.
Ive never had to cut any low frequencies or mids, just make sure the mix sounds good and leave set the ceiling between -0.8dB to -0.6dB
Cj
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5th November 2010
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#9 | | Gear nut
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I have done shite loads of masterings for phones and tbh i still have haven't found ONE foolproof chain for it. Main challenge is making the music loud without that causing overload when played over the phones speakers. Today, what really made the difference was hipassing at 300hz (i know, but it worked  ) and limiting loads (around 5db) with a very soft knee. As i said though i haven't found that one chain that just always works. Leaving some headroom is about the only general advice i could give...
edit: If i were to give some real advice it would be with regards to the composition: Have your lead elements play between ca 6oohz and 2khz. This seems to be the most forgiving range on most phones' speakers.
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14th November 2010
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#10 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Jean Doe I have done shite loads of masterings for phones and tbh i still have haven't found ONE foolproof chain for it. | A skilled person with one of these: LINEAR ACOUSTIC - Products - AERO.mobile
could probably drum up a crapload of work, and easily handle it, if they marketed it right. thumbsup
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14th November 2010
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#11 | | Gear nut
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Originally Posted by Jesse Graffam | Very interesting. Gonna look into that.
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15th November 2010
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#12 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by Waltz Mastering You could most likely go a little conservative on level and the low end.
Maybe concentrate more on the mono information and make sure the conversion quality is good to what ever the format is that you have to deliver them in. | +1
i found that most mp3 encoders distorts sound if it's peak more than -0,3 dB.
but i don't know what exact format iphone apps uses. definetely AAC but not sure.
the best check for your sound is too upload it on your mobile.
but it is time hog and i use Speakerfone vst with cellular phone impulse response loaded into it.
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13th September 2012
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#13 | | Gear Head
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Question: Does the iphone/samsung etc usually come with one speaker?
Or do they have two speakers?
I ask this, because I don't have any touchscreen phone, and I'm working with game audio for such device.
If they come with one speaker, wouldn't it be better,if everything is mono, music/sound effects?
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14th September 2012
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#14 | | mymixisbetterthanyours!
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look out for your bit-budgeting as well.
F.e., for many sounds a 22kHz sampling frequency is absolutely OK.
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14th September 2012
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#15 | | Gear addict
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Pro-Codec from Sonnox may help as a big part of the sound of mobile phones, gaming devices, and others, comes from the codec itself.
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