New drives

[mastertone]

Ok, so what drives are you using?

I need new ones, system, working audio and a backup drive.
Samsungs any good? Seagates? Its a jungle out there...


Please recommend me some.

[manman]

I use seagate, but firewire on seagate broke.
So i had to use USB

my friend is using Lacie and Seagate

[mastertone]

Originally Posted by SafeandSound

I hear drives hitting 1TB are less reliable, why no idea, hearsay ?

Yeah i heard that to, but never read any actual proof of it. White paper anyone?


Will check out the samsung spinpoints.

[wado1942]

Well I have historically used Seagate and been very happy.... until they started getting louder again when new.

The newer Seagates actually have the highest defect rate out of all the manufacturers. That said, I'd never had any problems with the pre-Maxtor generations. I HAVE had problems with Maxtors. Actually, all three of my 10 or so hard drives that catastrophically failed on me have been Maxtors.

Yeah i heard that to, but never read any actual proof of it. White paper anyone?

White paper? No. But it makes sense because in order to drive down cost, they're usually only using one platter instead of four or so. That means they're packing WAY, WAY, WAY more data into a smaller space. That means smaller defects (unavoidable) in the disk mean bigger problems. Even if they were still using four or more platters, it's still more data crammed into a smaller space.

[Table Of Tone]

Hitachi Deskstars being used here!

Also some WD Caviars N Scorpios.
16 or 32 Meg buffer.

If you go too big in size, you'll definitely hear em!

I stay below 500GB.
320's N 250's are not only quieter, but more reliable.

Well...for me anyway.

[CharlesCola]

Samasung Spinpoint F3s are fast, reliable and cheap hard drives.



These solid state pcie things are crazy fast Read = 540MB/s, Write = 490MB/s and still affordable:

OCZ RevoDrive 120GB PCI-Express SSD - PCI Express x4.. | Ebuyer.com

definately no noise issues with ssd and should seriously speed up workflow...

[inlinenl]

Hi Jonas,
samsungs are good to me ... the large 1 TB are super ..
I.m running my OS on a 30GB solidstate, working disk is a raid 0 2 x 1 TB samsung.
Planning is on getting a solidstate working disk ( 100GB ) and then only use external 1GB network storage in raid ...
easy does it. All my disks are on external s-ata outside the box = low-temperature .

so no more old drives , only for network backup.
make sure you get solidstates with the good/best read/write performance , there are big differences ..
write speed is important for me ..

[Red Mastering]

Originally Posted by CharlesCola

Samasung Spinpoint F3s are fast, reliable and cheap hard drives...

same here, no problems so far with 1.5 Tb drive

[Waltz Mastering]

Just bought a Western Digital 1TB a few months back that is pretty quite.

[kjg]

WD GreenPower for storage/archive/backup. speedy enough and very, very quiet.

[Riccardo]

Originally Posted by kjg

WD GreenPower for storage/archive/backup. speedy enough and very, very quiet.

Just got a pair of those as well

[WBM]

Lacie drives D2 500 G and 1TB good and reliable never a problem.
Run with FW800 real fast recall on a Mac pro and G5.

[Jerry Tubb]

Great success with Western Digital-Black Caviar-1TB~$99.

Three Seagate failures in recent times prompted me to switch (yes I had backups).

Seagate replaced the bad drives with refurbs that are still working.

Apparently a chip went bad on the pc board on these drives, cheap Chinese junk.

I'd happily pay an extra 20 bucks (or more) per HDD to get something well built and reliable.

Turn the clock back 20 years, this very month, bought a Pacific Coast Technologies, 660MB full height HP drive, for about $4,000.

JT

p.s. I'm referring to WD raw drives to be installed internally in the DAW, good stuff.
I'd avoid WD's external enclosures like the plague, an engineering disaster!

[UnderTow]

Hitachi, Samsung, some WD externals. All disks are 1TB.

Alistair

[adamgonsa]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

I'd avoid WD's external enclosures like the plague, an engineering disaster!

+1. I got one of their MyBook external drives for my server and it shit the bed in record time.

FWIW, I've had great luck with both Seagate drives and the OWC raid drives.

[echoRausch]

Checkout Buffalo Drivestation Duo (in RAID 1 mode) for backup purposes. Highly recommended...

[mpdonahue]

I purchase about 300 1TB drives a year and have to say that my go to drive is the Samsung 1TB 7200rpm drive (NOT THE GREEN VERSION !!!) I also have some of the Hitachi's, nothing to report (Which is good news).
The drives that I've had terrible luck with in the past 4 years are:
ALL the "green drives" (the ones that vary the spindle speed to save energy/heat). Besides causing all sorts of problems with audio applications, we had about a 25% failure rate within the first month of purchase on these drives.
Seagates: 7200.10, 7200.11 and 7200.12 are to be avoided like the plague. We have over 40% failure rates on these drives!!! (out of about 50 drives!)

All the best,
-mark

[joeaudio]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

Great success with Western Digital-Black Caviar-1TB~$99.

Three Seagate failures in recent times prompted me to switch (yes I had backups).

Seagate replaced the bad drives with refurbs that are still working.

Apparently a chip went bad on the pc board on these drives, cheap Chinese junk.

I'd happily pay an extra 20 bucks (or more) per HDD to get something well built and reliable.

Turn the clock back 20 years, this very month, bought a Pacific Coast Technologies, 660MB full height HP drive, for about $4,000.

JT

p.s. I'm referring to WD raw drives to be installed internally in the DAW, good stuff.
I'd avoid WD's external enclosures like the plague, an engineering disaster!

Big enough to hold a CD's worth of music at 44.1/16. Awesome.
My first Sonic drives were 1GB. I was King.
I haven't had problems with LaCie.

[dcollins]

You youngsters probably don't remember the Control Data drives that the original Sonic used. Giant, noisy, and something like 700MB.

Our man in Bombay is recommending the Seagate Enterprise Nearline series for new installations, fwiw.


DC

[mpdonahue]

Originally Posted by joeaudio

Big enough to hold a CD's worth of music at 44.1/16. Awesome.
My first Sonic drives were 1GB. I was King.
I haven't had problems with LaCie.

Didn't I give you a box full of those HP 1.2 gb drives with that sonic system I traded you back in the day.....Far cheaper than putting them in landfill ;-)

-mark

[joeaudio]

Mark,

They were 9GB Hot Swap drives. I got a lot of use out of them.
SCSI interface, Biege Mac G3, OS 8.6, Sonic Classic.
I did lots of billing on that system.

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by mpdonahue

NOT THE GREEN VERSION !!!

Agreed Mark, the so called "green" drives are a disaster for pro audio.

That was my problem with the WD external "smart" enclosures.

When you need them, they're asleep, when you want them to power off, they power up, ridiculous.

I still like the Glyph drives with hard power switch for external backups.

JT

[Shy]

OCZ RevoDrive is perfect. If you have the money, nothing should stop you from getting one. I'd buy the 480GB model if I could spend that much.

[Black Belt]

I have used these with much success.

Pacific Pro Audio Drives

Options options...

[mastertone]

Thanks for all the recommendations!

So i picked up a couple of samsungs (along with a new machine). Spinpoint's F1,F3 500gb, 750gb and 1TB.

I was thinking of adding a NAS as a storage point between my main DAW and my Internet / burning machine and etc.

What do you think about the Netgear Duo NAS?
I´m looking at the RND 2000, and 2110.

[da goose]

Concerning a NAS, the best there is (IMO) is a synology!
I have a DS209 myself with 2x 1tb in raid0 config and it's rocksolid and ultrafast, it's a 1gb ethernet connection.
They also have some serious pro NAS machines which are quite expensive but seriously GOOD. Synology Inc. - NEW NAS Experience - is their website

[pmx]

imho, if you go nas, do it at least with 5 discs. i'm a drobo fan.

[cyrano]

Synology is very good. It's one of the few manufacturers that does updates for older hardware. I'd stay away from netgear. You could also consider a Drobo, which is very easy to setup and very versatile. It's not as performant as a Synology, but way easier to setup and maintain.

[Thomas W. Bethe]

About a year ago we had a LOT of problems with our LaCie drives mostly related to power supplies going bad. LaCie replaced all the power supplies and so far <loud sound of Tom knocking on wood> no problems since.

Most of our drives are older Seagate drives which have been really reliable. My mentor had all kinds of problems with the newer Seagate drives last summer and finally had to trash most of them.

Since MOST if not ALL drives are made in China today your takes your chances when you buy any of them.

[Bristol_Jonesey]

Originally Posted by wado1942

The newer Seagates actually have the highest defect rate out of all the manufacturers. That said, I'd never had any problems with the pre-Maxtor generations. I HAVE had problems with Maxtors. Actually, all three of my 10 or so hard drives that catastrophically failed on me have been Maxtors.





White paper? No. But it makes sense because in order to drive down cost, they're usually only using one platter instead of four or so. That means they're packing WAY, WAY, WAY more data into a smaller space. That means smaller defects (unavoidable) in the disk mean bigger problems. Even if they were still using four or more platters, it's still more data crammed into a smaller space.

Ditto on the Maxtor problems thumbsup I too have had 3 fail me over the years

Western Digital all the way now, completely reliable [so far]