Wavelab - automate plugin parameter

[kundevelop]

hello,
here a Wavelab user. I need to change some plugin parameter on time but can't figure out how to do this...is there a way? or should I use another software? which one ( window user )?
thanks a lot.

regards

kun

[24-96 Mastering]

Originally Posted by kundevelop

hello,
here a Wavelab user. I need to change some plugin parameter on time but can't figure out how to do this...is there a way? or should I use another software? which one ( window user )?
thanks a lot.

regards

kun

The only way to automate things in Wavelab is by using the plugin on a clip in a montage (by right clicking anywhere on clip in the montage (from version 7 you have to click on the clip name) and selecting 'effects'), then splitting the clip in the montage at the cursor (s) and changing the plugin settings after the split (get to the effect again by right clicking -> selecting the effect).

If you're working with the montage anyway, it's not such a bad way to automate in a mastering context, even if it sounds a bit counter-intuitive at first.

[kundevelop]

thanks for reply I upgraded to WaveLab 6 and didn't know about Audio Montage, hope this will solve my issue.

[greggybud]

What about the effect morphing feature? You don't need to use the montage at all for that.

For example add reverb.

1. highlight the section you wish to add reverb. Insert your reverb plug in the master section.
2. render the section you wish to add reverb.
Now you have a wave file that abruptly goes from no reverb to 100% reverb.

3. with that section still highlighted, use the effect morphing feature.
4. if you wish to morph from 0% to 100% over the highlighted section simply draw a straight line from 0 to 100.

5. Click apply and you are done.

[24-96 Mastering]

Originally Posted by greggybud

What about the effect morphing feature? You don't need to use the montage at all for that.

For example add reverb.

1. highlight the section you wish to add reverb. Insert your reverb plug in the master section.
2. render the section you wish to add reverb.
Now you have a wave file that abruptly goes from no reverb to 100% reverb.

3. with that section still highlighted, use the effect morphing feature.
4. if you wish to morph from 0% to 100% over the highlighted section simply draw a straight line from 0 to 100.

5. Click apply and you are done.

Hey, learned something new! Thanks.

But that's all destructively, right? And I assume it just does a crossfade post effect (as it would when crossfading clips in the montage), right?

[greggybud]

Details are on page 211 in the Wavelab 6 manual. I wish I could refer people to details on the Wavelab 7 manual.

yes destructively, and ....yes.

[24-96 Mastering]

Originally Posted by greggybud

Details are on page 211 in the Wavelab 6 manual. I wish I could refer people to details on the Wavelab 7 manual.

yes destructively, and ....yes.

Found it on page 215 in the German version
But you answered my question already anway. Thanks!

[Greg Reierson]

I've never understood why people spend so much time in the Wave window. I do everything (except restoration) in the Montage. That way you can make small tweaks without having to render, etc. The only thing that's ever in my master section is the external router and SPAN.

Robin's example is how I do it. It's seamless between clips and infinitely adjustable.

GR

[24-96 Mastering]

Originally Posted by Greg Reierson

I've never understood why people spend so much time in the Wave window.

Same here. I just assume that many don't really know the montage well - if at all. Which seems weird, because in my mind, that's what you're paying for (a flexible, non-destructive, EDL based mastering application).

[greggybud]

Originally Posted by Greg Reierson

I've never understood why people spend so much time in the Wave window. I do everything (except restoration) in the Montage. That way you can make small tweaks without having to render, etc. The only thing that's ever in my master section is the external router and SPAN.

Robin's example is how I do it. It's seamless between clips and infinitely adjustable.

GR

1. Perhaps because sometimes a user is not mastering, but just doing a quick edit of a wave for another application?

2. The montage didn't exist until version 3. It's hard to change habits sometimes?

3. How can you perform any analysis and error check functions in montage?

4. With one button press, and a highlighted clip, I can switch between montage and wave edit. Wave edit is more clean looking and simpler to me.

[Greg Reierson]

1) I do look at it from a mastering perspective. I still find the montage window much better for editing, with the sole exception of doing any sort of restoration, de-clicking, etc.

2) V3 was how many years ago? My first DAW was a Sonic Solutions system with a non-destructive editing environment (similar to the montage) back in 1993 (version 0.9). Like you, hard to break that habit.

3) I use a spectral analyzer in the master section if I want some eye candy. I use the spectral editor in the wave window for restoration - then go back to the montage to continue working. Otherwise all of the gee-whiz screens are turned off

4) Yes, it's easy to access the wave window when I need to fix something at the file level. But you can't edit, assemble, sequence, fade, name, add ISRC, etc., etc. in the wave window.

Everyone has different ways of using tools. It's unfortunate when a developer decides to remove some very useful features because they are hard to port to a new platform. This is the reason I left Sonic many years ago. Hoping for the best in WL7.


GR

[greggybud]

I see where you are coming from. You can fade in the wave window.

When I said analysis and error check functions I meant analysis>global analysis to check errors, dbRMs levels etc. I don't believe you can highlight a clip and perform those functions correct? You need to be in the wave window.

And also...but not very important today, but the montage would not open any direct X. (of course with a vb rack it's not an issue but there was a time I was working with Waves and no rack existed or I didn't know about it)

I think as long as PG listens to the users, and solves issues in the Wavelab forum the program is hard to beat. For myself quick technical support is very important and valuable.

[David Spearritt]

Yes, I live only in the Montage window. Even when I open only one WAV and mess around with it. I have never understood the necessity for the WAV workspace. And in WL7 I have removed it and the window switcher from my default workspace.

[kundevelop]

really thanks for infos!
I didn't know about montage at all.
I am wavelab user sice V3...yes quite years ago.
must upgrade my mind not only my software!

regards

kun

[Table Of Tone]

I've only been using WL since version 6 (Sonic before that) but I do really love it!
It's like a little "Pandora's box"!

Tend to flick between the Wave and Montage (more Montage) depending on what I need to do.

If I get a couple mix revisions for an album that I've already assembled, I'll re-label the original 44.1/32 float file to have a V1 after it, and then print the new capture as the original title.
As long as both files are topped the same, the montage will automatically apply the same fades etc, and the album will be the same apart from now containing the re-cuts of the mix revisions.

[PeterN]

Wavelab 7's out! Ordered today!