Kindly recommend a good linear phase eq

[Jeff Hayat]

Maybe like the one Bob Katz is using in this vid?

YouTube - Mastering Audio by Bob Katz

Now, if BK is using that, it may be out of my price range, but if anyone knows what that is, kindly feel free to share.

And any other recommendations for a good linear phase eq would be appreciated.

BTW - did a search for 'linear phase eq' , but got a "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

Which, TBH, I found rather starnge...

Thanks in advance!

[Joe_caithness]

PSP Neon HR,

very very good EQ, not expensive, great interface

[PBM]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hayat

Maybe like the one Bob Katz is using in this vid?

YouTube - Mastering Audio by Bob Katz

Now, if BK is using that, it may be out of my price range, but if anyone knows what that is, kindly feel free to share.

And any other recommendations for a good linear phase eq would be appreciated.

BTW - did a search for 'linear phase eq' , but got a "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

Which, TBH, I found rather starnge...

Thanks in advance!

I'm just trying out the new Sonoris MEQ, which has switchable phase on each band, a choice of LP quality, m/s and suchlike, including the ability to audition the m and s separately.

I'm being a bit slow with it as I don't have a lot of use for LP generally and I'm *loving* the SPEQ which I think is going to turn out to be something quite special, but both are clearly top of the quality range.

It looks like BK is using the Algo Red in that vid - from what I remember (I reviewed the Red ages ago) the Sonoris is likely equal to that.

Get a demo ...

Cheers,

Eric

[rumleymusic]

Yes, Mr. Katz uses the Algorithmix Red EQ. Nice but very expensive.

Some very good linear phase eq's that sound almost, if not just as good, can be found from:
Sonoris (Mastering EQ)
PSP (Neon HR)
dmgaudio (EQuality)

[huejahfink]

The one he uses is this

Algorithmix LinearPhase PEQ Red --- DirectX/VST 10-band precise linear-phase parametric Equalizer featuring unique shelving filters for mastering of complex mixes without changing their sonic character

It certainly is a wonderful EQ, it's not cheap - but it's worth every penny as far as I'm concerned. I'm yet to hear a LinPhase eq this good, and I tried lots.

A "very" cheap option, that is of an amazing quality for the price is

DDMF: VST plugins, AU plugins, audio software

I've got both, and I use them on almost every project I do. LP10 is a little more flexible since you can switch to minimum phase per band. But the RED has the edge on sound quality for sure...... but not as much as the price difference would make out.

No matter what you decide, if you are looking for a Linear Phase EQ, you'd be an idiot not to pick up the DDMF one. It really is fantastic value - go check it for yourself!

[Tube World]

Samplitude 11 has a very good linear Eq and the price which is cheaper than the Red Eq while also providing you with a great DAW for mastering. The Waves mastering Eq is also pretty decent it's price range.

[Herbeck]

I'm not saying PSP Neon HR is a bad eq, but it has lots of pre/post ringing.


All the best

Herbeck

[dcollins]

Originally Posted by Herbeck

I'm not saying PSP Neon HR is a bad eq, but it has lots of pre/post ringing.

That's because it's linear-phase, they all have it.


DC

[24-96 Mastering]

Originally Posted by Herbeck

I'm not saying PSP Neon HR is a bad eq, but it has lots of pre/post ringing.

Originally Posted by dcollins

That's because it's linear-phase, they all have it.

It's not a bug, it's a feature!

[Herbeck]

Originally Posted by dcollins

That's because it's linear-phase, they all have it.

PSP Neon HR has far more ringing than the average linear-phase eq.
I know you don't use them, and neither do I.


All the best

Herbeck

[csl]

Refined Audiometrics PLPar EQ

Been using this for about a year or so. At the time I auditioned Algo Red/Orange, Sonoris, PSP plus this, and found it to be best for usability. Sound-wise, it was on a par (pun unintended) with Algo Orange, if I recall correctly, and noticeably smoother than either the PSP or Sonoris.

Plus is was a bit cheaper than the Algos. Though much more expensive than the PSP. This new Sonoris looks interesting; cheap too.

[cooker]

Originally Posted by PBM

SPEQ which I think is going to turn out to be something quite special

I'm not sure if I understand it correctly. So filters don't add-up and this helps for a cleaner sound (?), so on practice is this approach makes a difference compared to what we already have as a min-phase eq?

[dcollins]

Originally Posted by Herbeck

PSP Neon HR has far more ringing than the average linear-phase eq.
I know you don't use them, and neither do I.

That's interesting, I wonder why? I would have thought that barring a really incompetent implementation the ringing would be just based on the filter slope. Hmm. I guess it could be caused by rounding errors.

Best not to spend too much time worrying about LP, I would say.


DC

[Ari-M.]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hayat

Maybe like the one Bob Katz is using in this vid?

YouTube - Mastering Audio by Bob Katz

Now, if BK is using that, it may be out of my price range, but if anyone knows what that is, kindly feel free to share.

And any other recommendations for a good linear phase eq would be appreciated.

BTW - did a search for 'linear phase eq' , but got a "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

Which, TBH, I found rather starnge...

Thanks in advance!

just out of curiosity...why do you feel the need to have an LP eq??

not being sarcastic or trying to be rude....just trying to understand why you MUST be using LP

also I am a bit shocked by the price of the Algorithmix Red EQ.....

[Jeff Hayat]

Thanks for all the replies. Good convo - keep it comin'!

Originally Posted by Ari-M.

just out of curiosity...why do you feel the need to have an LP eq??

Well, TBH, I am not sure I need one. But after seeing that Bob Katz vid - did you watch it? - it is something I would like to have in my arsenal. I primarily do orchestral stuff, but I add a good amount of non-orch instruments - including some bass and bass synths - and tho I don't see a pressing need for it now, am thinking it might not be a bad thing to have.

Cheers.

[Ari-M.]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hayat

Thanks for all the replies. Good convo - keep it comin'!



Well, TBH, I am not sure I need one. But after seeing that Bob Katz vid - did you watch it? - it is something I would like to have in my arsenal. I primarily do orchestral stuff, but I add a good amount of non-orch instruments - including some bass and bass synths - and tho I don't see a pressing need for it now, am thinking it might not be a bad thing to have.

Cheers.

ah I see....the use for strings or piano seems valid...

[Herbeck]

Do a nulling test to check the eq's when flat.
Many plugins don't pass the test.


All the best

Herbeck

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by huejahfink

The one he uses is this

Algorithmix LinearPhase PEQ Red --- DirectX/VST 10-band precise linear-phase parametric Equalizer featuring unique shelving filters for mastering of complex mixes without changing their sonic character

thumbsupthumbsupthumbsup The Algorithmix LPEQ is widely used in the Classical Recording Realm. Fantastic tool. I would not want to be without mine for classical editing/mixing

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Ari-M.

just out of curiosity...why do you feel the need to have an LP eq??

not being sarcastic or trying to be rude....just trying to understand why you MUST be using LP

also I am a bit shocked by the price of the Algorithmix Red EQ.....

The Red(which I have with Sequoia/Samplitude) costs a lot but it is a mighty fine product.

LP eq(in my young eared experience) have the edge when compared to min phase in one critical area- transparency. For Classical work this is a must.

[Herbeck]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

The Red(which I have with Sequoia/Samplitude) costs a lot but it is a mighty fine product.

Algo Blue is a good sounding min phase eq, however it alters the sound a bit just by inserting it.
Annoying when you consider the price of the plug.
Have you noticed this with Algo red?



All the best

Herbeck

[PBM]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

The Red(which I have with Sequoia/Samplitude) costs a lot but it is a mighty fine product.

LP eq(in my young eared experience) have the edge when compared to min phase in one critical area- transparency. For Classical work this is a must.

The material I'm using for testing the Sonoris EQs is some rock but mainly acoustic and classical (I didn't plan it that way, it's just what's mainly on the schedule at the moment).

I think they work very well on complex material. The SMEQ (LP) is no more/less obtrusive than the Red (I no longer have the plug, but I tried the SMEQ last night with some of the material I originally mastered with the Algo Red: Lindsays string quartet, Brendel piano) and the SPEQ is wonderful at bringing out detail. I have no idea why - I'm not yet sure I understand the ideas behind the EQ - but it is still very, very nice.

My regular digital EQs are a Weiss (which in LP I preferred to the Red, even though the Red specs are apparently superior) and EPure, so this is pretty good company for the Sonoris.

The Sonoris graphics are reminiscent of the Red and Blue, and some of the functions of the two offerings parallel too, so I wonder if there is a deliberate marketing thing going on here? The prices don't compare, of course.

Cheers,

Eric

[lowland]

Very interesting re. Sonoris, Eric.

[Ari-M.]

Originally Posted by PBM

My regular digital EQs are a Weiss

Eric

thumbsup the best of the best IMO...Weiss products are on another level...

[heybub419]

I like the Waves Linear Phase Multiband; I love the control it gives me over individual elements in the mix. PSP Neon is also a good one, with MS processing. I haven't tried the Algorithmix Red or Orange, but from what Bob Katz and others have said it sounds amazing.

[Stereophonic]

+1 for the Algorithmix Red. I've been running it daily for the last year. As many folks have pointed out, it's very clean, subtle, transparent and natural sounding -- even when the boost or cut is extreme. While it is expensive, with a little patience one can find a used dongle online at an affordable price. If it means anything, I have no desire to demo, test or hear another LP EQ ever again. I am completely satisfied with it. The continuous slope feature is worth the price of admission alone. I also love that the DX version allows the operator to solo the difference of the EQ.

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Herbeck

Algo Blue is a good sounding min phase eq, however it alters the sound a bit just by inserting it.
Annoying when you consider the price of the plug.
Have you noticed this with Algo red?



All the best

Herbeck

Not at all. (I didn't care for blue as much). The red seems to have no sonic footprint to speak of. Of course...consider how many other eqs alter the sound...and people pay big bucks for some of them. EQ is one area that I want to be invisible.

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Ari-M.

thumbsup the best of the best IMO...Weiss products are on another level...

I liked the Red better than the Weiss...and the Waves..dont get me started. It is not very good for surgical boosts/cuts.. Very heavy handed in my experience Oddly enough, I actually liked the Blue Cat cheapie LP eq.. preferring it over some of the expensive vsts

[PBM]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

I liked the Red better than the Weiss.

As I thought the opposite I'm keen to know on what grounds - just a friendly enquiry! I did a lot of comparisons between the two as I had the Red for an SOS review and already owned the Weiss. Did you try it on a range of music or were there specific uses you preferred?

You have BK somewhat on your side of course, and as I said before, also the specifications, but the Weiss for me did (does) nicer things to the music I was (am) working with.

Cheers,

Eric

[Ari-M.]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

I liked the Red better than the Weiss...and the Waves..dont get me started. It is not very good for surgical boosts/cuts.. Very heavy handed in my experience Oddly enough, I actually liked the Blue Cat cheapie LP eq.. preferring it over some of the expensive vsts

I have not tried the RED....but I am in full accord with your call on the Waves LP stuff...it's utter crap IMO....Waves can't seem to get their delay compensation worked out....and I really don't like the way the bottom end works on the Waves LP package....the frequency centers are too far apart for my taste

I am actually eager to try the RED now, with so many professionals suggesting it...

for me the Weiss gear is very musical (especially their compression), it is however a bit burdensome to use....takes a bit of fiddling and I don't like the contrast or size of their display....it's a bit odd to read sometimes

the MDW running on system 6000 is another nice EQ.....although not "LP"

dang I guess I am going to have to spring for the RED to try it, as I can't seem to find a demo anywhere

[dcollins]

Originally Posted by Ari-M.

the MDW running on system 6000 is another nice EQ.....although not "LP" in the traditional sense

It's not linear-phase in any sense. It's a traditional minimum-phase EQ.


DC