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CD burner suggestions?

Having difficulty finding the Premium 2 and 760A.

What else out there is top notch and not too hard to find?

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( I did a search but the last thread was last year and we all know how fast the computer world moves)
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I am also looking for the answer. The last time I did research a few names came up;

LITON
BENQ
NEC

It must be a drive supported by Opti Drive Control so that quality error tests can be done.

I remenber that BENQ was the drive that supported all the tests on Opti Drive but at the time I did not get a massive YES response to BENQ on Gearslutz, so I have not taken it further yet. Any new developments???
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How important is it to have a good dedicated audio cd burner, does it make a difference over just a usual cd/dvd burner drive in a pc? (is it worth it?)

Also are there specific blanks that are better than just the usual Verbatim or TDK writable disks?

Is it worth it and is there a big difference at all?
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I find CDs burnt on my Alesis Master Disk sound much better than CDs burnt on my MacPro. I use Apogee CDRs only because I bought 200 a couple years ago. My clients bring TDKs and Verbatims. They seem to sound fine too.
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I remenber that BENQ was the drive that supported all the tests on Opti Drive but at the time I did not get a massive YES response to BENQ on Gearslutz, so I have not taken it further yet. Any new developments???
Benq drives haven't been manufactured since 2006 so you are unlikely to find any new ones now. They were a cheap alternative to Plextor as they could also be used to error check discs with the right software - that's why they were recommended for use with Opti Drive Control.

Unfortunately, optical drives are commodity items nowadays and there just isn't the demand for anything better. It seems that even Plextor can't justify the continued production of the Premium2 as it has now disappeared from their current web pages.

If I was buying something right now I would probably look at Pioneer drives for burning and try to find an old Plextor that can read, but longer burn DVD's for error checking. Drives often lose the ability to write discs long before they stop reading discs as the laser power required for writing is much higher.

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My Plextor Premium 2 also died a while ago... I second the question - what do you burn on currently - are there no "high-end" burners available anymore?
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So BENQ is out!
OptiArc is another drive supported by OptiDrive control.

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How important is it to have a good dedicated audio cd burner, does it make a difference over just a usual cd/dvd burner drive in a pc? (is it worth it?)

Also are there specific blanks that are better than just the usual Verbatim or TDK writable disks?

Is it worth it and is there a big difference at all?
I find Taiyo Yuden the best most reliable blanks. Years agio I used to try all different kinds at different speeds, and when I switche dto TYU they all come out fine, never a question about my copies or masters. and at 33c each in lots of 600, no cost problem!

I use Pioneer burners on my Macs, totally reliable for years now. Haven't even needed to shop for a new one.

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I find CDs burnt on my Alesis Master Disk sound much better than CDs burnt on my MacPro.
Not that I've ever done the comparison myself, but this doesn't seem possible. CDs have to burn every single bit on to the disc, and drives have to be able to read every single bit at way past 1x speed or else burnt software would not work. So if all of the bits are there, and all of the bits are read, how can one sound different than another?
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Not that I've ever done the comparison myself, but this doesn't seem possible. CDs have to burn every single bit on to the disc, and drives have to be able to read every single bit at way past 1x speed or else burnt software would not work. So if all of the bits are there, and all of the bits are read, how can one sound different than another?
I find this strange also. There must be some really clever audio engines at work with lesser burners, as they are able to modify the extremely complex voltage measuremet data signal, which includes multiple redundancy and Solomon-Reed interleaving so that it just sounds less good, instead of garbled...

re burners: with error free DDP files the need for "perfect" masters disappears. I have found that normal CD-R drives make plenty good enough "masters" for cheking the CD-Text and general content, and clients are happy also. Pressing plant gets a DDP folder on a USB memory stick. Maybe this is the reason drive manufacturers do not see a reason to make and market a reference CD burner. It is not really needed for anything anymore.
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My Plextor Premium 2 also died a while ago... I second the question - what do you burn on currently - are there no "high-end" burners available anymore?

since not many answered... I am really curious what the MEs here burn with..
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since not many answered... I am really curious what the MEs here burn with..
I have both a Plextor Premium II and a Pioneer (the one that came stock) in my Mac Pro and they both actually write great masters. I usually do one at 4x with the Premium II and one at 16x with the Pioneer, then boot up in Windows and use whatever one has the lowest error rate as the master, and the other as the reference copy, assuming there are no C2 or CU errors. The Plextor actually has the occasional C2 or CU error. This is always with TY discs.
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since not many answered... I am really curious what the MEs here burn with..
Used to use Plextor Premium's but the two I had both died a little bit ago -
I now use a couple Plextor 760A's sourced as NOS from Saitech Online - Computer Laptop Notebook Hardware Software IT Parts

After these are gone? who knows. The Plextor Blu-Ray/DVD/CD combo drive I recently got (which I believe is a rebranded Pioneer) has proven to be a poor performer for CD-R audio masters.

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I suppose using a big flash or external hard drive makes more sense for handing stuff over to mastering
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I suppose using a big flash or external hard drive makes more sense for handing stuff over to mastering
If you're going to say one type of CD writer has a sound over another, you also have to allow for one hard drive to sound different than another. Ditto for flash drives, RAM, and internet routers. All of them store and retrieve numbers.
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Critical point to understand is that with current methods of glass mastering the difference in "sound" of the CD-R audio master when it is played back in different CD players has no actual effect on the replicated product as long as it is data identical to the data image it was created from. It's easy enough to verify that this is indeed an easy thing to achieve by doing a simple test with any "secure" DAE software (where it re-reads sectors after any error flag is triggered) such as Exact Audio Copy.

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since not many answered... I am really curious what the MEs here burn with..
I have a 712, 716, 760, a pair of 755's (only one still in the box) and that's it - All my Premiums are gone, the new drives (such as the 880's) suck (and the "error checking" is a joke - a bad joke).
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since not many answered... I am really curious what the MEs here burn with..
Rebranded Lite-On drive works great for burning over here. I used to have a Pioneer that produced very low error rates but it crapped out after a little over a year. I also have a 716SA that I use with Plextools but don't burn with.

Slightly OT, but download jobs way outnumber CD burning jobs for me right now.
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There sure are differences in burn quality (error rates) between burners, but if it would manifest as degraded audio quality using those same burners for PDFs, spreadsheets etc would also degrade picture quality, numerical exactness etc.

Which burner would best preserve the flowing prose of my first novel? I need to send it to to publisher on a CD-R and do not want the burner or disk to degrade the clarity of thought and make it just mundane.
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There sure are differences in burn quality (error rates) between burners, but if it would manifest as degraded audio quality using those same burners for PDFs, spreadsheets etc would also degrade picture quality, numerical exactness etc.

Which burner would best preserve the flowing prose of my first novel? I need to send it to to publisher on a CD-R and do not want the burner or disk to degrade the clarity of thought and make it just mundane.
Careful Petrus! Some older burners make spelling error, not just syntax mistakes!
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Ha ha. as if.
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I'm looking for a new master burner as well. What's worth looking at?

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I'm looking for a new master burner as well. What's worth looking at?

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I found two premiums. NOS. thumbsup

and no offense, Petrus, but when you become a Mastering Engineer with the experience these guys have, ill take what you say on this subject to heart. There is a reason the Plextor drives are reccomended across the board.
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CD burner suggestions?

So how much is a vintage premium 2 worth to you ....

The first/last computer vintage hardware ... IDE .. What's that .. does it have transformers .. :-)
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I still have a 755 and 750 but when it comes to burn on mac I used an old lightscribe porche since to work real good, but Lite-on 'll do the job.
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So how much is a vintage premium 2 worth to you ....

The first/last computer vintage hardware ... IDE .. What's that .. does it have transformers .. :-)

worth nothing now since I am all stocked up. 2 hooked up and one on standby!

Plextools=awesome.
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Hey fellas, I have to revive this one...

I'm in search for a new masterburner. It needs to be S-ATA and able to run with Opti Drive Control / CD-DVD Speed. Any suggestions??

There are mentioned some good ones but most of them are IDE...

I was thiking of a Samsung SH-S223L or LiteOn iHAS424. Maybe a Plextor PW-880SA (LiteOn) or Sony OptiArc??
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I don't think there's any need to drop big cash on a Premium. I've burnt maybe a thousand masters with Plextor DVD burners, never had a problem reported from a factory. These old DVD burners can be picked up for peanuts second hand, but obviously you gotta hope you get a good 'un.
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I have a few 880's -- They seem capable enough (but don't trust the software that comes with them as far as error-checking is concerned - They're not even close and it actually resembles an uneducated guess that varies widely from read to read on the same disc).
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If you only use your old Plex for checking and not for burning, it'll last a lot longer - that's what i do!

Many masters made that way, no problems.
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