Final Bus Mix

[element]

hello guys,

this is my setup summing mixer 8816 -> 33609 -> 2 pultecs -> 1081s -> Apogee rosetta

I am having a problem to understand something that is happening to me on final mixes. When i bring the level up to go into the rosetta (without soft limit on ) . I can get to 0db by doing two things 1. is pushing the 1081 to a high level and when the track is bounced it looks similar to something being limited, another one is to put the gain down from the 1081 and then adjust the level from the insert of the 8816, then the wave looks like something that is normal when bounced. Obviously the first bounce is the "loudest" and punchier. why is this happening, is ther e some sort of limiting happening without me knwoing? I am quite confused and cannot decide if i am doing anything wrong.

Thanks
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[manman]

Converters behave differently at different volumes.

Try not to Exceed -6 ..-3 Db on Input on Rosetta, do not enable soft clip and use 24 bit resolution.

I m thinking your 8816 somehow compresses signal a tiny bit, because your driving inputs.

Try not to use rosetta as limiter-Clipper on purpose when doing mixdown.
Your mix is suppose to be clear without distortion.

Leave saturation to mastering stage. Do not overshoot A/D section on Rosetta.

[Ngr]

you have a nice Mix Bus setup, do yourself a favor and don't go looking for the 0 dBFS. There's absolutely no reason to do that.
Leave your mix breathe (unless you don't want it too) and wait for the mastering engineer to do his job.
You'll end up with clearer and punchier mixes.

[element]

This is something that I have been readin around and never seemed to understand ... Y do u stand clear of as u well mention -6 to - 3db? Is it for the mastering engineer 's sake for more headroom to play with ? I usually record to 0db ... Does this mean my mixes could be saturated or distorted?

Thanks so much for your help

[recall]

I think you are focusing too much on how things are looking and not how they are sounding. You should be able to hear if things are saturated or distorted.

[Greg Reierson]

[QUOTE=element;5224746]Does this mean my mixes could be saturated or distorted?

Yes. You're painting your self into a corner if you print that close to 0. It's easy to cleanly raise volume in mastering. There's zero reason to print mixes hot.

It's easy to make a quiet mix louder AND better in the mastering stage, but it's difficult to make an overly loud mix sound better. You'll find very few great sounding albums that were mixed too hot, but tons of loud albums that were mixed well.


GR

[wado1942]

Y do u stand clear of as u well mention -6 to - 3db? Is it for the mastering engineer 's sake for more headroom to play with ? I usually record to 0db ... Does this mean my mixes could be saturated or distorted?

Not quite sure I understand all that but you want to let your mixes PEAK around -3 to -6dB. It's not for the mastering engineer's sake, it's for yours. You're needlessly adding distortion and reducing what can be done with it in mastering. That doesn't harm anybody but you.