Mastering Big Names = Hypocrites?

[Waltz Mastering]

Originally Posted by masteringhouse

I have a friend who would be happy to sell you a VT-7.

I will only buy if it's gold.

Last post from mwa on this thread. I promise. It's been fun---ny

[bcgood]

Funny, my "Mojo's Risin'!"

No one gets out of this thread alive!

[misjah]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

Top 3 reasons for DIY Mastering:

1. Budget - the money's run out.

2. Deadline - long since passed.

3. Control Issues - not wanting to let it go, until #1 and #2 have occurred.

That's my perspective ; - )

Cheers - JT

think u missed one:

1.5) underestimating pro mastering/overestimating ability to DIY

[Jackie Treehorn]

In response to the subject of this thread and the first post-- I don't think it's fair to call out an individual ME on this board unless he refused to re-do his work and refused to try to meet your expectations.

Calbi mastered my record and went out of his was to make sure I was happy even though I'm a nobody.

[Peakly]

Originally Posted by Masterer

Post of the year.

Last year they gave away free mastering with that. Maybe this year free mastering and a Vertigo!

Seriously, it's hard to watch the reckless denigration of a highly respected profession, especially when it involves music.

If someone doesn't want to send their mixes to a mastering engineer, then don't do it. But to publicly put down the value of mastering, especially on an internet forum, doesn't help anything, and runs directly counter to what many of us know to be a valuable part of the recording process.

Mychal

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by Peakly

Last year they gave away free mastering with that. Maybe this year free mastering and a Vertigo!

Seriously, it's hard to watch the reckless denigration of a highly respected profession, especially when it involves music.

If someone doesn't want to send their mixes to a mastering engineer, then don't do it. But to publicly put down the value of mastering, especially on an internet forum, doesn't help anything, and runs directly counter to what many of us know to be a valuable part of the recording process.

Mychal

Another Grand Slam (baseball) Mychal!

JT

[Brad Blackwood]

My name has 13 letters, is that big or small?

I hope that's small, I'd sure hate to be a hypocrite!

[Virtalahde]

Originally Posted by Brad Blackwood

My name has 13 letters

Mine goes to 17, ha-ha!

[dave-G]

Originally Posted by Virtalahde

Mine goes to 17, ha-ha!

And you have an umlaut ... you win.

-dave

[jdg]

Originally Posted by dave-G

And you have an umlaut ... you win.

-dave

noshit.. huge win.

-jøhn mccäig

[maxiemixer]

In MHO there is really no strict need for mastering for the CD format BUT, A really good mastering engineer will be a fresh pair of good ears and will help to make your work shine. Of course you can master yourself but then if you plan to do it, just do it during the mixdown... Anyway if I have adequate budget for mastering I tend to use a ME that I trust. And almost every time I get something I like AND a more reassuring feeling that I did my job well since I get usually a lot of compliments from ME. Almost all the times they say that did "nothing" and the balance was "perfect" but still I hear some subtle changes in definition, level and 3rd dimesion that I've been not able to fully recreate in my studio... And I love to have a great ME tweak with my work.
But I've been doing gret "damage" with MS processing especially with BX-DIGITAL eq.... But I hope two things:
1. The level war (and every war) to stop!
2. The DVD music format get in use so we can move to a more refined standard for music (but I'm sad seing that the market goes the other way 'round: the de facto standard for music delivery at the moment is Mp3 ;-( )

[Bob Olhsson]

Originally Posted by miroxp

"why is it that most Mastering Houses have a "no attendance" policy?...

Where is this?

Attending mastering sessions with Grundman, Sax, and Ludwig improved my recording, mixing and mastering immensely after I left Motown where I had been taught by folks from Atlantic, Media Sound, United-Western and Gold Star.

I really can't say enough positive about the value of attended mastering sessions no matter how much experience you have.

[Thomas W. Bethe]

miroxp,


I would much rather do attended mastering sessions than spend a couple of days on the phone trying to figure out why what the client sent does not sound the same way on their system as it does on mine only to find out the client has his speakers wired out of phase.

I really don't know where you are getting this anti attend policy but most mastering engineers I know have a pretty "open door" policy.

FWIW

[Multi-Monitors]

I really would like to A/B some of my favorite records with and without mastering...just to hear what it sounded like beforehand...

[IIIrd]

Originally Posted by miroxp
"why is it that most Mastering Houses have a "no attendance" policy?...

You're 'avin a laugh mate

[Odeon-Mastering]

I think he means Mastering Bedrooms

[UnderTow]

Originally Posted by Sigma

Again ..i didn't intend to pop in on a mastering forum and tweak nutz

this was in the general forum and got moved..but my opinion is my opinion and we all have them

Anyone looking at your writing style and, dare I say, barely logical self-aggrandising ramblings, and compare it to the neat well spelled and punctuated writing style of the mastering engineers responding to you can quickly spot a clear psychological difference. You lack attention to detail.

Most good mastering engineers I know have attention to detail in everything they do. You clearly don't. Not least in your dishonest self appraisal and hypocrisy.

Alistair

[UnderTow]

Originally Posted by b0ssa

It'd be like me telling a car manufacturer that I want my new car made a certain way and to go 3x faster than the roads allow.. not to mention my brakes would only still be working at the normal 1x ratio. I doubt the car maker would listen to me.

Have you never heard of tuning studios? And there are plenty of cars that go 3x faster than the roads allow.

Alistair

[b0ssa]

Originally Posted by UnderTow

Have you never heard of tuning studios? And there are plenty of cars that go 3x faster than the roads allow.

Alistair

How can a car travel 3x faster than a road will allow? Enlighten me. (I assume we're not talking about speed limits here)

[Table Of Tone]

You gotta get the chaps in for gaps N Xfades.

Doh!
I already ran away from this thread!