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| Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Belgium
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| Mastering on Otari btr-5 Hi, I have a Otari btr-5 and using emtec SM 468 tape. I did a few A/B test for mastering, made a song with Cubase 5 and recorded (at 15 IPS , EQ is IEC) on the Otari thru AD/DA 24bit 44.1 khz . Now when i listen to the mastering on the Otari i hear a subtle difference but not that BIG compare to the mastering directly out of Cubase ! I hear and read all about the goods from Tape mastering but for me the difference is minimal ! Is there something wrong with my ears ? P.L.U.R Danny.
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hollywood CA
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boise, Idaho
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| You know, I keep saying this and being shunned for it but masters from digital sources always sound digital. If you're comming from an analogue source, the difference would be bigger. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Not trying to be snide with a naive question - but seems to me the words "digital" and "analog" are much better descriptors of an architecture and less of a sonic quality. I've heard it sound everything from miraculous to horrendous - and the same goes for analog. Best regards, Steve Berson | |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Brooklyn, New York
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As DC pointed out already you should be able to hear more dramatic differences if you push the level going onto the tape. Best regards, Steve Berson | |
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| Gear Head Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Omaha, Nebraska USA
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| I'm curious as to what style of music you're recording. This would help me decide which tape to use. 468, 911, 900. If you can get ATR magnetics over there, I'd use it. Also how well is your machine calibrated? What is your reference level? How much overbias are you using for the 468? How hard are you hitting the tape according to your VU meters? (You must know your reference level so that when your meters read 0vu you know exactly how hard you're hitting the tape.)
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| Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden
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I have mixes here done on 18bit Adats that sounds amazing, then some guys come in with tape wich sounds like ice cold crap. | |
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| Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Belgium
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The style of music i'm recording is House, Electro ,Trance.... The machine is been calibrated for the emtec SM 468 tapes . In the recording test ive done i was using a Powercore 6000 Brickwall Limiter set at -0.1 dB and on playback it gives me the same level. From te manual the input level is +6 dBm ( 1.55 v ) standard and the maximum input level is +30 dBm ! So now i'm gonna do a few more test without BWL . P.L.U.R
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: europe
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Are you monitoring from the tape deck or from already converted signal ( back from tape ) ? Try monitoring direct from tape deck and then from converters to hear what are your converters doing to the sound. Sm 468 sounds pretty transparent to my ears , maybe trying different tapes could give you better/different results. I work with RMG Sm 468 and Per 528 almost every day and and the per 528 is little darker so check it out . I am about to check SM 911 and sm 900 from RMG.... To my ears the benefit of transferring to tape vs only digital is that the files transferred to tape and back to DAW react different to processing ,you can up sample the files ( record 24/48 back from tape at 24/96 or even 192 ), this bump at 50 Hz on my Studer A80 which makes the music sound bigger and maybe some saturation if you want it need it .... | |
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| Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Belgium
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P.L.U.R
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London, UK
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I find that there is very little point in recording a digital mix, summed ITB, over to tape, unless you are after a certain type of saturation. You won't really be getting more resolution out of it! 2" or PTHD mutitrack playback, mixed through an SSL, captured to 1/2" tape, is what many mix engineers swear by and many of the top mastering engineers like to cut from. | |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: europe
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totally agree.... | |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London, UK
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"Hugging" of the mix is a kind of saturation, or the onset of it. Tape nearly always smears the top end to some extent. Sometimes that's just the ticket! | |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: london
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| To my ears the gentle compression I'm thinking of as hugging takes hold long before any percieved saturation. Have not heard a plug to date that can do this. Smear? Hmmm, maybe if you push it on there hard. Other than that I'd say you might actually get away with more perceived clarity because of being able to open up the top more without pain. YMMV of course. |
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| Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Belgium
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| Ok, i did a few test with record level to tape @ +3dB and +6dB and no plugins on the master like the PoCo 6000 MD3 that is used before. it's sound great !! To my ears no distortion , nice saturation ,smooth low frequencies and sound mutch louder and on the dynamic range meter reading +- 6 a 7 db RMS ! When i get on the dynamic range meter +- 6 a 7 db RMS with plugins in the master i can hear distortion ! For now i'm happy with it but i'm gonna do a few more test ! P.L.U.R
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| Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Belgium
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Same as this on DYNAMIC RANGE | pleasurize music! P.L.U.R
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London, UK
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I'm not splitting hairs. It does one of two things, depending on the actual material. It either Rocks (works) Or it sucks (doesn't work) I know where you're coming from though! | |
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| Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Belgium
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| Here a zip file with 3 wave files , 1: Test No mastering no Otari 2: Test Mastering No Otari with a litle eq and Powercore 6000 MD3 (Tape Sim 15 ips Preset) 3: Test Otari Recorded file No Mastering ( eq:IEC ,Tape SM 468 ) All tracks Level Hitting @ -0.2 to -0.1 db For me the Otari wave sounds great, what's your opinion ? P.L.U.R http://dominium.telenet.be/music/Otari.zip
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| Otari version is the best but it is louder so its kind of hard to compare ... Did you use Sm 468 ? |
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| Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Belgium
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P.L.U.R
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: europe
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It sounds louder cos your Input/ output on Otari is hotter.... | |
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