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Old 10th October 2009   #1
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Playing 44.1k samples at 96k

I work at 24bit/96k sample rate.. however i use many samples and WAV files (single-shot kicks, snares, etc.) that are 16bit/44.1k ... Would this pose any problems or effect the samples in any way? Would it be better to work with the samples at their native sample rate or will these samples play exactly the same at both rates and resolutions?
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They're going to have to be resampled... Not the end of the world - happens all the time. Most would argue that going up is less damaging than going down.

But you can't just have them play at the new sample rate... I mean, you could, but you'd have the "chipmunk" version of your samples.
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Most would argue that going up is less damaging than going down.
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They're going to have to be resampled... Not the end of the world - happens all the time. Most would argue that going up is less damaging than going down.

But you can't just have them play at the new sample rate... I mean, you could, but you'd have the "chipmunk" version of your samples.
"chipmunk"? my samples arent that much different, if anything has changed when switching from 44.1k to 96k, its very subtle.

how would i resample? i have a kit of single-shot (Vengeance Electro Essentials) and theyre at 44.1k/16... is it possible resample them to 96k?
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"chipmunk"? my samples arent that much different, if anything has changed when switching from 44.1k to 96k, its very subtle.

how would i resample? i have a kit of single-shot (Vengeance Electro Essentials) and theyre at 44.1k/16... is it possible resample them to 96k?
sounds like your sampler is resampling automatically, or running at 44k within your 96k daw project, otherwise your samples would be pitched up more than an octave, which definitely wouldnt be subtle!

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sounds like your sampler is resampling automatically, or running at 44k within your 96k daw project, otherwise your samples would be pitched up more than an octave, which definitely wouldnt be subtle!

You're in audio now, baby! If there's no difference you can hear then there's no difference that matters.
after checking the kick drum, the difference seems to be a bit muffled when playing at 96k.. anyway to get the samples to play at their native rates within a 96k environment?
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That's what we're trying to tell you... If you play a 44.1 sample at 96k, it's going to be less than half as long and over an octave higher. It *MUST* be resampled if you want it to have any resemblance whatsoever - in tone, in pitch, in length - to the original.

Some programs (Acid comes to mind) do this on the fly at the object-level (with varying results as to sound quality).
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That's what we're trying to tell you... If you play a 44.1 sample at 96k, it's going to be less than half as long and over an octave higher. It *MUST* be resampled if you want it to have any resemblance whatsoever - in tone, in pitch, in length - to the original.

Some programs (Acid comes to mind) do this on the fly at the object-level (with varying results as to sound quality).
what im trying to say is that is not the case, the audio isnt half as long (wave file you mean?), it sounds very close to the original. would the filelook any different in my sequencer?

since im new to this, can some one explain to me what happens to a 44.1k audio clip when played in a 96k environment?
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what im trying to say is that is not the case, the audio isnt half as long (wave file you mean?), it sounds very close to the original. would the filelook any different in my sequencer?

since im new to this, can some one explain to me what happens to a 44.1k audio clip when played in a 96k environment?
Then your audio workstation / sequencer has resampled the 44.1 audio file to 96 kHz automatically on import. Otherwise, it would not play back at the right pitch. If upsampling is done right, there shouldn't be significant signal degradation from that.
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Then your audio workstation / sequencer has resampled the 44.1 audio file to 96 kHz automatically on import. Otherwise, it would not play back at the right pitch. If upsampling is done right, there shouldn't be significant signal degradation from that.
and what about sounds from synths/VSTs? they sound slightly different as well, some more than others
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