What brand CD's do you use for masters?

[Kayo]

Originally Posted by Crash

OK Jerry, since you mastered our last project (Bob Charles Band), do you care what you get from us mix guys? Does it matter as much on that end? I am just trying to get smarter on this. I never knew it mattered that much, at least not on my end.

Hi bud,
I’ve been mixing for years too.. And, I usually move tracks around as data, and NOT a RedBook CD.
So for that, USB/ Data CD or DVD any type/ Portable HD will suffice. I’ve never taken a RedBook Burn to master.

I may have read you wrong, but, are you doing the RedBook then extract?.. for master.

Cheers,
KAyo

[Crash]

Originally Posted by Kayo

Hi bud,
I’ve been mixing for years too.. And, I usually move tracks around as data, and NOT a RedBook CD.
So for that, USB/ Data CD or DVD any type/ Portable HD will suffice. I’ve never taken a RedBook Burn to master.

I may have read you wrong, but, are you doing the RedBook then extract?.. for master.

Cheers,
KAyo

nope, CD24 out of a Masterlink. Which I guess sort of kills my entire line of thought on this....DOH!!

[Table Of Tone]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

A couple years ago on a whim, bought a pack of Memorex "Pro Gold Archival" CD-Rs that "last up to 300 years".

Burned an audio disc to test with Plextools, checked the disc (which is actually a Mitsui type 8 ),
and got 10x the C1 errors of a normal TY disc, and 6 C2 errors, which I never see on Taiyos.

So if they do last up to 300 years, it'll be up to 300 years of substandard data ; - )

Must be just marketing spin to unload an overstock of gold discs.

Perhaps I got a bad batch of Golds, I'd be willing to try it again, but until then I'm stickin' with TY.

Peace - JT

The TY golds are good.
It is true that the gold dye is mainly for archiving.

I just like to have a few different discs that I know to be good!

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by Table Of Tone

The TY golds are good.
It is true that the gold dye is mainly for archiving.
I just like to have a few different discs that I know to be good!

I wasn't aware that TY made gold CD-Rs. Perhaps we don't have those here in th US?

Interesting how we hear about these things.

One day about five years ago a client walked in with a Maxell Pro CD-R.

The word "Pro" caught my eye, so I tried 'em and really liked the quality.

A year later started running PlexTools and found out they were actually Taiyo's.

JT

[Waltz Mastering]

Is anybody using or checked out:

Mitsubishi Green tune cdr.

Green Tune CD Made by Mitsubishi | www.greentunecd.com

They are supposed to have the lowest bler of any disc made.
I was contacted by a distributer about these and was checking them out.
... a bit pricey

[dcollins]

Originally Posted by Waltz Mastering

Is anybody using or checked out:

Mitsubishi Green tune cdr.

Green Tune CD Made by Mitsubishi | www.greentunecd.com

They are supposed to have the lowest bler of any disc made.
I was contacted by a distributer about these and was checking them out.
... a bit pricey

I also received a call about these, but have very little motivation as the Taiyos work perfectly.

Some of the Mitsu claims are a bit *cough* unlikely.


DC

[jamesp]

Originally Posted by Waltz Mastering

Is anybody using or checked out:

Mitsubishi Green tune cdr.

I wonder how different they are to the Datalife Plus CD-R's? I used a spindle and found they weren't bad - the error rates were actually better than Taiyo Yuden's printable discs at the time. However, Datalife Plus discs aren't easy to find and my latest spindle of T-Y printables is better than they used to be.

Cheers

James.

[IIIrd]

TY golds for me

[Waltz Mastering]

Originally Posted by dcollins

I also received a call about these, but have very little motivation as the Taiyos work perfectly.
DC

That's what I was thinking. Why fix it, if it ain't broke?

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by Waltz Mastering

That's what I was thinking. Why fix it, if it ain't broke?

Yes of course, regular TY's are essentially "perfect" for the job.

But having lived with CD Recording for so many years, trying the TY Gold's & the Greentunes do stimulate one's natural curiosity.

Perhaps handing clients a 2GB flash drive at the end of a session, containing their entire project would be a useful archive.

What's the shelf life of data on a USB flash drive? ...300 years ? : - )

JT

[dave-G]

"Proprietary "Green" Coating Reduces Exterior Noises from Your Recording"

Wow, so are these essentially CDRs that have been factory green-markered?

[kjg]

Originally Posted by dave-G

"Proprietary "Green" Coating Reduces Exterior Noises from Your Recording"

Wow, so are these essentially CDRs that have been factory green-markered?

currently in development at Mitsubishi: Wooden Volume Knob 2.0

[MASSIVE Master]

I was on the "beta team" for the Greenies. Had the developers (from Japan) out and everything.

I desperately tried to find an advantage. And I beat those things up - Heat, direct sunlight (for two weeks, each side), sub-zero temperatures to a cookie sheet in an oven ("warming" - Around 140F), right along with a pair of TY WaterShield and a pair of "plain" (white inkjet printable) TY's.

No change in BLER, no data errors, all RIP'd audio nulled out with each other and the source data.

The long-term archival properties are up in the air there - I'm no expert on such things. I've done extensive testing on media vs. burn speeds and the like, but I've never actually attempted to make a disc fail under semi-controlled circumstances. It was actually kind of fun.

No doubt though, the balance issue favors the Green - But audibly, the WaterShield also seems to share that advantage (I'm not certain how the coating is applied, but it wouldn't shock me to find out that the WS coating is applied while the disc in in motion so it can find its own level). I didn't set up a seismometer up on it (although now, there's an app for that), but the WS and the Green were audibly quieter during the burn than the TY plain white inkjet.

The QC on the Green's seemed pretty fantastic also -- It pains me to say it, but I still find TY's that are "amazing" and some that are "nice" and a few here and there that are "acceptable." The Green's were all pretty similar (in the 0.3/10/0 range, IIR), just as the better TY's would be. But when it comes down to it, even the "lesser" TY's (maybe in the 1.0/20/0 range) are still a tiny, insignificant fraction of the allowable BLER rates.

With me, it comes down to one tiny matter: Would I be satisfied with my own project being burned to a TY WaterShield -- (Yes).

[Table Of Tone]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

Yes of course, regular TY's are essentially "perfect" for the job.

But having lived with CD Recording for so many years, trying the TY Gold's & the Greentunes do stimulate one's natural curiosity.

Perhaps handing clients a 2GB flash drive at the end of a session, containing their entire project would be a useful archive.

What's the shelf life of data on a USB flash drive? ...300 years ? : - )

JT

I only recently found out that flash drives and solid state hard drives actually have limited access!

I guess you can store them and they'll be OK but apparently they will only take so many hits!

[dcollins]

Originally Posted by Table Of Tone

I only recently found out that flash drives and solid state hard drives actually have limited access!

I guess you can store them and they'll be OK but apparently they will only take so many hits!

It's something like a million R/W cycles, iirc.


DC

[Rick Sutton]

Is it just me (or my burner) or are the error rates going up on TY discs in the last few months? I used to get C1 error less than 1.0 average and max always under 20 and often near 10. The last several batches of TY's have gone up with the latest running up to 3.0 average and as high as 35 max. this is on a Sadie with Plextor 760 at just about any speed. The TY's are thermal printable shiny surface. The latest batch also shows the max C1 at less than a minute in on almost every disc.
Anybody else seeing this?

[Table Of Tone]

Originally Posted by dcollins

It's something like a million R/W cycles, iirc.


DC

I heard it's way lower than that, depending on the flash drive.
I don't know how reliable that source of info was but I just thought I'd mention it.

[glassmaster]

In the grand tradition and spirit of the Internet:

Originally Posted by Table Of Tone

I don't know how reliable that source of info was but I just thought I'd mention it.

[jamesp]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

What's the shelf life of data on a USB flash drive? ...300 years ? : - )

JT

I thought it was only 10 years although that could be down to the typical number of writes expected in that time. However, a quick search shows that flash memory technology is improving all the time and lifetimes have increased quite a bit from the 1000 write cycles a few years ago up to a few million write cycles for devices under development now.

Cheers

James.

[jamesp]

Originally Posted by Rick Sutton

Is it just me (or my burner) or are the error rates going up on TY discs in the last few months?

My latest spindle of inkjet printables is the best so far with error rates of around 0.5-0.6. This is the first spindle that I have seen with Taiyo Yuden stickers on the outside - previous ones have been fairly anonymous although the ATIP says that they are T-Y's.

Cheers

James.

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by jamesp

I thought it was only 10 years although that could be down to the typical number of writes expected in that time. However, a quick search shows that flash memory technology is improving all the time and lifetimes have increased quite a bit from the 1000 write cycles a few years ago up to a few million write cycles for devices under development now.

Cheers

James.

Thanks James, I would assume the contacts on the USB interface would wear down after a few thousand insertion/removal cycles.

I'm more interested to know how long the actual data would last as an archival medium.
I assume that we cannot know without waiting to see, as aging simulations are just an educated guess, usually accompanied with optomistic projections for marketing reasons

For instance if a USB flash drive were used only once for archiving a clients' project, placed undisturbed in a safe place, tested once a year to see if the data is still retained.

JT

[+6/185]

Originally Posted by soloan

HHB printable 1x-12x

i prefer HHB Gold actually

Nobody uses HHB here?

I use HHB 80IP. The slow 1-12x is best for Sonic PreMaster CD that burns at 8x. I have used thousands of them and never had a problem.

[Table Of Tone]

Originally Posted by glassmaster

In the grand tradition and spirit of the Internet:

Fair enough!

[First Aid]

Originally Posted by +6/185

I use HHB 80IP. The slow 1-12x is best for Sonic PreMaster CD that burns at 8x. I have used thousands of them and never had a problem.

wondering when someone was going to say HHB!

might have to look into the T.Y's tho... who's the best people to buy trade from in the UK?

[Table Of Tone]

Originally Posted by First Aid

wondering when someone was going to say HHB!

might have to look into the T.Y's tho... who's the best people to buy trade from in the UK?

All three types of TY are available from Protape in London.

[First Aid]

sweet. thanks boss!

[jamesp]

Originally Posted by First Aid

who's the best people to buy trade from in the UK?

I haven't found anywhere that does trade discount on T-Y's. I bought my latest batch from Blank DVD Blank CD and Accessories for Blank Media CVB MEDIA www.cvbmedia.co.uk.

Cheers

James.