L2 Industry Standard

[lucey]

Originally Posted by dcollins

I thought people had determined it was exactly the same as the hardware code?


DC

If you read my post more carefully you'll see the point that was made ... a chain's power is in the interaction of the small choices. So a little L2 along with clipping is a fine choice.

An L2 in an all digital world used for heavy lifting makes no sense to me, thus the comment.

[UnderTow]

Originally Posted by dcollins

I thought people had determined it was exactly the same as the hardware code?

That is what I thought. I seem to remember reading about several tests showing that in linked mode and using the digital I/O it gives bit for bit identical output to the software.

Alistair

[Zownd]

My Limiters of Choice Are L316 and Oxford (and even a combo)

only one person is mentioning L316.. it's so versatile and easy to cater to your own needs..

who needs L2?

[Table Of Tone]

Originally Posted by dcollins

I thought people had determined it was exactly the same as the hardware code?


DC

There is more DSP available in a hardware L2 and although waves marketed the software as the same as the hardware, I found that not to be the case.

The hardware L2 definitely has more headroom than the native software.
Not sure about the TDM version?

The hardware depends on if it's working properly in the first place, connection, the ADC, how it's being hit, what else is running before it, etc.

The software really depends on the host, the platform and the application, among other things.

There are just so many variables!

[Bob Olhsson]

The TDM and hardware version inputs will clip if you send anything in above full scale. The floating point version inputs won't clip and simply limit the signal more. I would call that behavior having more headroom but indeed there will be more gain reduction indicated because the input didn't clip.

[fenderbender.]

Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson

The TDM and hardware version inputs will clip if you send anything in above full scale. The floating point version inputs won't clip and simply limit the signal more. I would call that behavior having more headroom but indeed there will be more gain reduction indicated because the input didn't clip.

Yet another reason why PT-LE (floating point) is superior to HD (aside from the delay comp., obviously). . .


Additionally, the Waves L2 hardware will allow for a much longer release time to be set. Useless in most mastering situations, though it is a major difference between the HW and SW. Also, the HW is prone to failure unlike the SW. You can un-insert and re-insert the SW plug., whereas you must send the HW to Waves 'support'.


Regardless, the L2 has Nothing to do with how leading ME's get loudness!...

[glissando]

Originally Posted by Table Of Tone

Well....that anti ME poster certainly got his b*****ks kicked in this thread, didn't he!

just coming back to this...fair enough... the comment was harsh...couple of things to clarify

I'm not a Mastering Engineer, I mix

Of course we all have to do what the client wants. I do it as much as the next guy

Clipping converters IS a cop out and DOES sound bad...I can't concede that point at all

Still wanna know who isn't clipping converters ever as part of their mastering process ( no not basement engineers)

The L2 makes a way better mixing tool than a mastering tool

Anyone suggesting that limiting isn't appropriate on your busses/groups is wrong

Mainly I think that it's the engineer not the tools in real life. This is not real life...it's a GEAR forum.....Boys

[lucey]

Originally Posted by glissando

Clipping converters IS a cop out and DOES sound bad...I can't concede that point at all

Still wanna know who isn't clipping converters ever as part of their mastering process ( no not basement engineers)

The L2 makes a way better mixing tool than a mastering tool

Anyone suggesting that limiting isn't appropriate on your busses/groups is wrong

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[First Aid]

Originally Posted by lucey

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+1

[Table Of Tone]

Originally Posted by lucey

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+2

[Table Of Tone]

Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson

The TDM and hardware version inputs will clip if you send anything in above full scale. The floating point version inputs won't clip and simply limit the signal more. I would call that behavior having more headroom but indeed there will be more gain reduction indicated because the input didn't clip.

You have a very good way of putting things Bob!

There ya go!
Cheers

[thermos]

Originally Posted by Table Of Tone

+2

+3. I disagree with all of them. But hey, it takes all kinds.

[Fabio]

Usually I use it for just 1db of limiting after the ad converter!

[24-96 Mastering]

Originally Posted by lucey

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[Virtalahde]

Originally Posted by lucey

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