Total running time (TRT) issues with final master

boom87boom · 28th July 2009

I have a project that needs to be exactly 35:00 on the CD. I made the piece exactly 35:00 and cut it up into 12 different tracks. When I imported those tracks into iTunes, the TRT came out to be 34:56. I made sure that there were NO gaps or crossfades that iTunes loves to add.

I then added 4 second of silence onto the last track, getting me the 35:00 TRT in iTunes. However, when I burned that CD and put it into a couple different CD players, they calculated the time at being 35:05 and then 35:06, etc.

I burned the project in iTunes and Toast and still had indiscrepancies (no pun intended).

Is there any burning program that can change the meta-data so that the TRT reads exactly 35:00 on everything that reads the CD?

jdg · 28th July 2009

such is the way of the CD. getting track start/stop times etc are a crap shoot from player to player. they all do it slightly different.

Jesse Graffam · 28th July 2009

Try burning the non-corrected version that actually is 35:00 and see what CD players say.

A tip: you might want to put about a quarter of a second MORE than 35:00 so that you are not exactly on the edge of 35:00.

Waltz Mastering · 28th July 2009

Most programs will display to 1/100th of a second.

... if you add a song that is 02:30:45 to a song that is 02:30:45, it will not add up to 5 minutes. It's 5:01 rounded off.

I think you need to take the extra decimal point into account.

10 songs at 02:30:45 will not add up to 25 minutes... it's closer to 25:05

boom87boom · 31st July 2009

Sadly, I think I will have to assume that every player will show it differently.

Considering that iTunes is a huge 4-seconds off, but that's probably where most of my listeners will put the album, I am going to have to succumb to Apple (once again).

Thank you for the input.

28th July 2009	#1
boom87boom Gear interested Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 2 Thread Starter	Total running time (TRT) issues with final master I have a project that needs to be exactly 35:00 on the CD. I made the piece exactly 35:00 and cut it up into 12 different tracks. When I imported those tracks into iTunes, the TRT came out to be 34:56. I made sure that there were NO gaps or crossfades that iTunes loves to add. I then added 4 second of silence onto the last track, getting me the 35:00 TRT in iTunes. However, when I burned that CD and put it into a couple different CD players, they calculated the time at being 35:05 and then 35:06, etc. I burned the project in iTunes and Toast and still had indiscrepancies (no pun intended). Is there any burning program that can change the meta-data so that the TRT reads exactly 35:00 on everything that reads the CD?

28th July 2009	#2
jdg Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2005 Location: seattle, WA Posts: 2,540 Verified Member	such is the way of the CD. getting track start/stop times etc are a crap shoot from player to player. they all do it slightly different. __________________ nothing helps "suck", not even analog panicStudios - mastering in seattle

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Waltz Mastering Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2008 Location: 3rd Stone From The Sun Posts: 2,933 Verified Member	Most programs will display to 1/100th of a second. ... if you add a song that is 02:30:45 to a song that is 02:30:45, it will not add up to 5 minutes. It's 5:01 rounded off. I think you need to take the extra decimal point into account. 10 songs at 02:30:45 will not add up to 25 minutes... it's closer to 25:05 __________________ Tom Waltz www.waltzmastering.com

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28th July 2009	#3
Jesse Graffam Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,114	Try burning the non-corrected version that actually is 35:00 and see what CD players say. A tip: you might want to put about a quarter of a second MORE than 35:00 so that you are not exactly on the edge of 35:00.

31st July 2009	#5
boom87boom Gear interested Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 2 Thread Starter	Sadly, I think I will have to assume that every player will show it differently. Considering that iTunes is a huge 4-seconds off, but that's probably where most of my listeners will put the album, I am going to have to succumb to Apple (once again). Thank you for the input.