Low end roll off

TacosWhenTwisted · 25th July 2009

As a producer, would guys want me to EQ the masterbuss, roll off about up to 20-30hz, before sending it off to mastering? Or do you guys prefer to do it all yourselves? What about at least up to 20?

And while you guys master, do you lpf 19khz-20khz? What do you guys do in that area.

MASSIVE Master · 25th July 2009

Do what the mix tells you to do.

That's what we're going to do...

chironomidae · 25th July 2009

This has to be one of the most common questions asked on this board. I don't really get why, I mean I can't imagine a ME going back to the mixer and saying "hey dude, I rolled off below 30Hz and above 19kHz but in the future you should really be doing this yourself."

Of course if it sounds better with low and high passes, then why not - but to me, it makes more sense to let the ME do it seeing as he probably has a better ear and better equipment than you do (else what are you paying him for?).

Teddy Ray · 25th July 2009

I think the confusion came when someone ( I think it was a "big" name, one of the Geoffs?) mentioned that they filter EVERYTHING at 50...because the energy was inaudible and ate up headroom?

pretty prominent guy, from what I can recall.

ill dig it up..

Waltz Mastering · 25th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TacosWhenTwisted

As a producer, would guys want me to EQ the masterbuss, roll off about up to 20-30hz, before sending it off to mastering? Or do you guys prefer to do it all yourselves? What about at least up to 20?

And while you guys master, do you lpf 19khz-20khz? What do you guys do in that area.

If your not sure, leave it off.

If you can't hear anything that's bugging you down there, I would leave the decision up to the ME.

Depending on the eq you would be using. Even though you think that you are only cutting straight away at 20hz the same filter could be effecting other frequencies in an adverse way a little higher up.

Joe_caithness · 25th July 2009

Only really do this when it's full of artefacts of bad tracking/bad room sound on recording, especially find this a problem on non close miked Bass Cabs. The other time it is often used is when there is unwanted energy there which is feeding into the compressor and making me not get that extra loud, that is dependant on the style of music though, could never do that on dance music really, unless it was vocal stuff.

mdjice · 25th July 2009

well I do a lot of Hip Hop pop and R&B and I can tell you that I would never get a client if I cut off at 50hrtz !!! that's pretty much where the 808 everybody uses resides at. it all depends on your style of music but I'd rather leave it all as the ME CAN ALWAYS CUT BUT CAN'T PUT IT BACK

Bob Olhsson · 25th July 2009

If it sounds better, do it!
When in doubt, leave it out!
You can get more stinkin' from thinkin' than you can from drinkin'!

cemski · 27th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson

If it sounds better, do it!
When in doubt, leave it out!
You can get more stinkin' from thinkin' than you can from drinkin'!

HAAA! thanks for that one!

25th July 2009	#1
TacosWhenTwisted Gear addict Joined: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 419 Thread Starter	Low end roll off As a producer, would guys want me to EQ the masterbuss, roll off about up to 20-30hz, before sending it off to mastering? Or do you guys prefer to do it all yourselves? What about at least up to 20? And while you guys master, do you lpf 19khz-20khz? What do you guys do in that area.

25th July 2009	#2
MASSIVE Master Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago (Schaumburg / Hoffman Est.) IL Posts: 2,709 Verified Member	Do what the mix tells you to do. That's what we're going to do... __________________ John Scrip - Massive Mastering, LLC - www.massivemastering.com Spoon-feed a newb some answer and he'll mix for a day - Get him to think about it and figure it out for himself and he'll mix for a lifetime --- JS

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Teddy Ray Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2009 Location: Carolina is where they'll bury me. Posts: 7,096	I think the confusion came when someone ( I think it was a "big" name, one of the Geoffs?) mentioned that they filter EVERYTHING at 50...because the energy was inaudible and ate up headroom? pretty prominent guy, from what I can recall. ill dig it up.. __________________ "I would shoot a man if he put me through autotune" - Charlie Louvin

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Joe_caithness Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Nottingham Posts: 1,268 Verified Member	Only really do this when it's full of artefacts of bad tracking/bad room sound on recording, especially find this a problem on non close miked Bass Cabs. The other time it is often used is when there is unwanted energy there which is feeding into the compressor and making me not get that extra loud, that is dependant on the style of music though, could never do that on dance music really, unless it was vocal stuff. __________________ Subsequent Mastering: http://www.subsequentmastering.com

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mdjice Lives for gear Joined: May 2008 Location: Houston/Paris Posts: 2,677	well I do a lot of Hip Hop pop and R&B and I can tell you that I would never get a client if I cut off at 50hrtz !!! that's pretty much where the 808 everybody uses resides at. it all depends on your style of music but I'd rather leave it all as the ME CAN ALWAYS CUT BUT CAN'T PUT IT BACK __________________ Multi Platinum Recording artists, producer. Writer, Mix Engineer http://www.openlabs.com/mickael.html follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/mickaelmusic COLD CHAMBER STUDIO

25th July 2009	#3
chironomidae Gear nut Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 111	This has to be one of the most common questions asked on this board. I don't really get why, I mean I can't imagine a ME going back to the mixer and saying "hey dude, I rolled off below 30Hz and above 19kHz but in the future you should really be doing this yourself." Of course if it sounds better with low and high passes, then why not - but to me, it makes more sense to let the ME do it seeing as he probably has a better ear and better equipment than you do (else what are you paying him for?).

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Bob Olhsson Motown legend Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Songwriter Gulch, Nashville TN Posts: 10,878 Verified Member	If it sounds better, do it! When in doubt, leave it out! You can get more stinkin' from thinkin' than you can from drinkin'! __________________ Bob's room 615 562-4346 Georgetown Masters 615 254-3233 Music Industry 2.0 Interview

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