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3rd July 2009, 04:52 AM
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| Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NB, Canada
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| New Killswitch Engage... i really love this band for modern metal - they've had some nice mixes and smoking tunes in the past but damn this new album is completing with Death Magnetic for clipping....i don't understand, it's not like this music goes on top 40 radio - why do they think it should be maxed out so much? This music is mostly listened to by teenage metalheads and closet 30 something year old headbangers like myself....why is this shit even in the loudness race? IMO, the leader of the band Adam, who has alot to do with the mixes is a fairly talened mofo....i don't know how distortion on a master gets past a whole band, producer, manager etc... FWIW..the songs on this record are great! |
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3rd July 2009, 04:59 AM
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| Gear nut  Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Auckland, NZ
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| I'm also a fellow 30 something metalhead/ME who is getting sick to death of the over the top limiting, clipping and compression. I also find the new Lamb of God album hard to listen to due to it's OTT master. Records I'm liking in that vein atm are the newer Opeth record 'Watershed' and the newer Gojira record 'The Way of All Flesh' which I find are on the lighter side of pushed master wise. |
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3rd July 2009, 12:56 PM
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| Gear nut  Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Argentina
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| You could also check out "The Concealers" by Daath. I think that the loudest parts peak at -9 dB RMS. |
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4th July 2009, 06:06 PM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC
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 | I haven't heard it yet, but that is sad to hear.... I mean Alive or Just breathing isn't the Loudest album out there and it sounds so raw man...just really good. (and its not the best production either when you compare it). Hmmm i gotta go listen now... |
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5th July 2009, 06:43 PM
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| Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NB, Canada
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i guess i'm over reacting...it's a far cry from Death Magnetic but there are a couple songs with lot's of clipping! Songs are great | |
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6th July 2009, 12:55 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC
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| I just heard a few songs and I gotta say...not Death Magnetic...but BRIGHT as HELL |
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7th July 2009, 03:18 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC
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| Just got the New Album and I gotta say that I do enjoy the production..in the musical sense. This Master is pretty squashed though...very fatiguing to listen too. Sorta sucks cause they never had really Loud albums when Adam did the mastering. |
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7th July 2009, 03:23 AM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: historic richmond va
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7th July 2009, 07:44 AM
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| Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Melbourne
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| I think the mix and mastering in this album stinks... There is audible clipping all through it... the drums sound like a carboard box, all dynamics have been removed.. For me its pretty much unlistenable and I'm very much disapointed by it... I think its a poor effort and up there with Death Magnetic.. I'm sick of albums being smashed sonically... If I want it louder I'll turn it up... |
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9th July 2009, 12:12 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: Norway
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I really don't know why they/he don't just turn it down a couple of db's.. is it so damn hard? We do have a volume knob that raise the volume... don't we? use it!  people has it at 1. expecting it to make their ears bleed.. My 'late night' thoughts.
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9th July 2009, 06:50 PM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC
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Whatever the case may be, the new record is just FATIGUING to listen to. Alive or Just Breathing has dynamics and its not the loudest record out there. | |
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10th July 2009, 08:32 PM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: west wales
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| How many more times must we assume that the ME is the final decision maker on the final level of the CD? Ted Jensen does a lot of work I'm sure most of them aren't Metallica levelled. Its probably as loud because some A+R decided he wanted to match the level of Metallica and checked who mastered that record.
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20th July 2009, 07:25 PM
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| Gear maniac  Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NH
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| I'm so glad people besides me are hearing this. I actually thought the MP3's I bought from Amazon were encoded poorly, so much so that I just wrote them an email asking if other people have complained that the new album sounds like the volume knob was stuck on 11. The song structures are cool, and the sound ideas are tight... but holy crap. Over the top.... WAY over the top. Very disappointed. -ScottyD
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28th July 2009, 11:17 PM
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| Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: London
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 | I know everyone hates it here, but What do you think they would have used in the processing chain to create such a loud, even master? |
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28th July 2009, 11:38 PM
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Waves | Plug-ins | L2 Ultramaximizer Sorry... couldn't help myself. | |
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29th July 2009, 03:01 AM
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| I don't think he uses one of those. Wouldn't matter if he did though. Quote:
__________________ I believe your record has reached it's "loudness potential". - Masterer [Chris Athens for cryin' out loud]. | |
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29th July 2009, 11:31 AM
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| Gear Head Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: france
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| BTW i remember having read from Mr Jensen, about the Metallica album, that it just came to him mixed that much clipped already...and that he asked them not to put his name on it!!! Mr Athens, do I reckon correctly (I guess you probably know more than us about that, no?) ? I also reckon having read from you that alot of the mixes you master actually come in LOUDER than what you'd put the master at if it was only your choice... This is just to say that it is not always the mastering engineer's fault...  |
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29th July 2009, 11:50 AM
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| Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: London
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| It is actually clipping isnt it.. i thuoght you guys were joking at first, but i do seem to hear obvious clipping now.. |
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29th July 2009, 10:14 PM
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NH
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| I actually thought something was wrong with the MP3's I got from Amazon... but it REALLY is clipping. Totally blows my mind. -ScottyD
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29th July 2009, 10:37 PM
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: MA
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| at least brendan obrien didnt mix it... he tried.. repeatedly, but adam ended up taking the reigns. just like the every aspect of the record... thankfully |
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29th July 2009, 10:54 PM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: London
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1st August 2009, 02:28 AM
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2nd August 2009, 12:25 AM
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I don't think he uses an L2.
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10th August 2009, 02:07 PM
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10th August 2009, 05:58 PM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY
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I'd say, tone wise, "The Link" is it for me. There just such a snappy, clear, and open sound on that record. Something reminiscent of tape too comes across on that record. Mix wise, "From Mars To Sirius" takes the cake for me. I just find the bass and the vocals sit better on this record. But anyway overall, they seem to get the plenty-loud-bone-crushing sound, BUT enjoyable to listen to. | |
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