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View Poll Results: What Do You Think Of My Mix?
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Old 11th April 2009   #1
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Smile Critique My First Rock Song Mastering Session, ~Sample Inside~

**Just Re-Uploaded On SATURDAY April 18th, Early Morning~So Check Out The New File**

This is the first rock song i have mastered. I didnt record this, i just had to master and fix the loose ends...

let me know what you are thinking and if the mix is pretty good....i already feel the guitar needs to come down a bit....but other than that i feel pretty good about it...



thanks for looking....
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it run's blood out of my ears :-( sorry guy but this song is bad ! I write this not *'bout the mix ! who are the musicians ? they must learn the instruments first befor you can make a good master . . .
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wow.....what is the downfall, give some pointers and what not.....
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wow.

oh the blissfull joy of being 20 and thinking everything you do is great!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

its so bad on so many levels its rivals the audio equivalent of an early jon waters film.

bro. there are so many things wrong this i'm not even gonna bother.

dfegad
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the idea of posting is to find out what for 1, number 2 this isnt my music, i didnt play any of the instruments i am just trying to fix some things with it and master it to the best of my ability

so why dont we start explaining?
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wow.

oh the blissfull joy of being 20 and thinking everything you do is great!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

its so bad on so many levels its rivals the audio equivalent of an early jon waters film.

bro. there are so many things wrong this i'm not even gonna bother.

dfegad

oh and i am not 20, and i dont think everything i do is great, what a pitiful statement that was....
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well it sounds way better the the last metallica ...

the things you say about EQ are MIX -setting .. no mastering ...

there's way to much mid between 300-800 Khz and missing some sparkling ...
check the boominess on the kick around 114 ... enjoy working on it ....

top !! you did not slam it into a brickwall
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I haven't listened to it, but the way your first post reads it sounds like you're mixing it as well as mastering it. I would look to spend your time trying to fix things at the mix stage rather than the mastering stage.
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well it sounds way better the the last metallica ...

the things you say about EQ are MIX -setting .. no mastering ...

there's way to much mid between 300-800 Khz and missing some sparkling ...
check the boominess on the kick around 114 ... enjoy working on it ....

top !! you did not slam it into a brickwall


what do you mean about the brickwall?
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ok i posted the retry above.....see if its any better at all....
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i have uploaded a fix, let me know if its better....
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Disregard my vote, I am no mastering engineer.

the kick sounds a bit boomy though, and that fuzz guitar is way too up front.
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maybe its my studio monitors? i have a regular pair of monitors going through my stereo in "phono" and there is a 1 inch tweeter, a 2.5 inch tweeter, and a 8' woofer...

maybe its time for Bx5a deluxe monitors
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well it sounds a bit better craven ... the snare and some more high freq. makes it a bit more okay ..
the bassguitar sounds a bit bad ... work on that one ...
enjoy ...
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well it sounds a bit better craven ... the snare and some more high freq. makes it a bit more okay ..
the bassguitar sounds a bit bad ... work on that one ...
enjoy ...

what should i do to make it better? what do you recommend?
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I would think your first step forward would be to not proudly display all your pirated software in your signature. Or maybe you do have 10k worth of software and $500 worth of mics, in which case your first step would be to sell all that software, and put some $$ into acoustics.

2nd, it sounds like you are mixing this not mastering it, so you might want to look around in different areas of the sight for mixing tips/tricks.
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i am just trying to fix some things with it and master it to the best of my ability

so why dont we start explaining?
Really sorry, but if this is all due to the musicians.... I think anyone would be wasting their time trying to master it. Once you reach the stage of mastering you should have something a lot better than this to work with. I don't think anyone of any ability could do anything with this...

Now I'm gonna go pour some drano in my ears.
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I would think your first step forward would be to not proudly display all your pirated software in your signature.
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its not pirated, and this thread is about mastering tips....

could it be my studio monitors just suck? so i am not hearing things right?
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I would think your first step forward would be to not proudly display all your pirated software in your signature. Or maybe you do have 10k worth of software and $500 worth of mics, in which case your first step would be to sell all that software, and put some $$ into acoustics.

2nd, it sounds like you are mixing this not mastering it, so you might want to look around in different areas of the sight for mixing tips/tricks.

my accoustics are done...i have over 900 dollars in accoustics.... and that was cost of materials......

my software isnt pirated, and this thread has nothing to do with my software....


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Really sorry, but if this is all due to the musicians.... I think anyone would be wasting their time trying to master it. Once you reach the stage of mastering you should have something a lot better than this to work with. I don't think anyone of any ability could do anything with this...

Now I'm gonna go pour some drano in my ears.

can you suggest 1 thing that i can start with? whats the main problem.....point out 1 thing...please
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Really nothing to do with mastering at all from what I can tell.. The clean guitar sounds really thin and cheesy...
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maybe its my studio monitors? i have a regular pair of monitors going through my stereo in "phono" and there is a 1 inch tweeter, a 2.5 inch tweeter, and a 8' woofer...

maybe its time for Bx5a deluxe monitors
I'm not sure if this is true or not and i only heard it once but a quick look on wiki seemed to back this up. My understanding is the 'phono' input of a stereo has eq added to compensate for however vinyl records are cut - does anybody know if this is true? Do you have a different input you can use like an aux input or even a 'video' or 'dvd' input?

That aside - the snare sounds a touch lifeless and distant, maybe it's being overcompressed - I would like to hear it more up front, right now it sounds like it's at the back of the room. The kick is pretty close I think

Plus - but you can't do too much about this now I suppose but - one of the guitars (the main, picking one I think) is out of tune somewhat and that sounds, to me at least, a little whacky.

I would suggest for this particular one, getting a nice big drum sound and then carving a space for the guitars around that - that is if you are mixing it too.

I can't comment on the mastering - that's way out of my league
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I'm not sure if this is true or not and i only heard it once but a quick look on wiki seemed to back this up. My understanding is the 'phono' input of a stereo has eq added to compensate for however vinyl records are cut - does anybody know if this is true? Do you have a different input you can use like an aux input or even a 'video' or 'dvd' input?

That aside - the snare sounds a touch lifeless and distant, maybe it's being overcompressed - I would like to hear it more up front, right now it sounds like it's at the back of the room. The kick is pretty close I think

Plus - but you can't do too much about this now I suppose but - one of the guitars (the main, picking one I think) is out of tune somewhat and that sounds, to me at least, a little whacky.

I would suggest for this particular one, getting a nice big drum sound and then carving a space for the guitars around that - that is if you are mixing it too.

I can't comment on the mastering - that's way out of my league

ok i can use the video input and i also while in phone or video, i turned off all the eqs...its running flat the whole time...

i am going to fix it and re-upload see if its better....

thanks for the help
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Are you guys messing with us?
With the 'phono input' thing?

You're joking, right?
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Are you guys messing with us?
With the 'phono input' thing?

You're joking, right?

joking about what? are you implying that phono input is best?
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joking about what? are you implying that phono input is best?
Well, if you are serious, a phono input is for turntables only (as in phonograph). It's not a line input. It amplifies the very low signal coming from a turntable and uses the RIAA equalizing curve.

But (please don't take this the wrong way) I think anyone who wants to do anything with audio professionally should at least know the difference between a line and a phono input on an amplifier.
Of course, that would explain the radical high-pass filtering on all those tracks..?
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i was not sure what the other guy meant and when you came on and said what you did....

but its all clarified now.....please check the re-upload above and see if its at least an improvement...

thanks alot
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Sure, I will check in an hour!
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So, I just listened. I can't say whether it's an improvement because I haven't heard the earlier versions.
It's hard to hear past the horrible musicianship (they're out of tune and out of time) but I guess you did some more work on the guitars?
Earlier comments said the main guitars sounded tinny.
They're not so bad now, maybe a little loud in the mix.
Are you still using high-pass on everything?
It's a bit thin and weird sounding, but maybe the tracks were so much worse before you worked on them. It's hard to say without hearing the raw mix.
Bottom line, I'd say it needs more low end.
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ok cool, i will work on the bottom end...

oh and i cut the freq off around 11khz on most of it...

the raw mix sucked...lol
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