Can dynaudio's bm series be used for mastering?

[msm07]

I asked something similar in another thread but didn't get an answer so I thought i'd re ask here. What would be a better setup for mixing AND mastering? (assuming you had to do both yourself)....

Dynaudio bm12a's and a bm9s sub (or any other sub) or a pair of dynaudio bm15a's with no sub.

I've tried a lot of monitors under the £1500 mark and these two were my favourites and wondered which setup i'd benefit from the most.

My room is treated with ten bass traps and is 16x14x8. I will be moving to a bigger room though. I've got a few speakers i use for mixing reference.... Tannoy oxfords, yamaha hs80, yamaha ns625's. I don't use them all obviously.

I'm not familiar with whats what in the world of mastering speakers so any info is appreciated guys. Are the dynaudios decent enough or would a top set of hi fi speakers be better?

[wado1942]

You could do worse. But I'd strongly suggest getting the BM 12S instead of the 9S. The 9S doesn't reach much farther than your mains but the 12S can reach into the lowest reachest of your hearing.

Might I take this opportunity to ask WHY people keep making subwoofers perfect cubes? It is the absolute worst shape for anything having anything to do with acoustics.

[Waltz Mastering]

You can spend tons of money on proper mastering speakers.

Check out AudiogoN high end audio auctions, classifieds, hifi chat

Dynaudio makes a pretty decent mixing speaker. Not super high end.

TW

[msm07]

So in my situation bm12a's and a sub would be better than just the bm15a's?

[Waltz Mastering]

Neither the 12 or 15's go down to low so I would say get the sub.

TW

[lerone]

Originally Posted by msm07

I asked something similar in another thread but didn't get an answer so I thought i'd re ask here. What would be a better setup for mixing AND mastering? (assuming you had to do both yourself)....

Dynaudio bm12a's and a bm9s sub (or any other sub) or a pair of dynaudio bm15a's with no sub.

I've tried a lot of monitors under the £1500 mark and these two were my favourites and wondered which setup i'd benefit from the most.

My room is treated with ten bass traps and is 16x14x8. I will be moving to a bigger room though. I've got a few speakers i use for mixing reference.... Tannoy oxfords, yamaha hs80, yamaha ns625's. I don't use them all obviously.

I'm not familiar with whats what in the world of mastering speakers so any info is appreciated guys. Are the dynaudios decent enough or would a top set of hi fi speakers be better?

How about P11's / sub 8 or PMC TB2sa's. Both are awesome value for money and are definitely workable. I'd prefer these over the Dynaudios for sure.

[msm07]

I tried the P22a's, P11a's, the focal solo 6's, the Vxt8's, a few genelecs (name escapes me), the dynaudio's just sounded the best to me (the 12a's an 15a's).

As for the sub... What is there worth looking at under £800?

[Audiop]

Originally Posted by wado1942

Might I take this opportunity to ask WHY people keep making subwoofers perfect cubes? It is the absolute worst shape for anything having anything to do with acoustics.

Doesn't matter when the shortest wavelength of the sub bandwith is much longer than the dimensions of the enclosure.

A 50cm (internal) cube will have its first acoustic resonances at 340Hz or so and more often than not a suitable crossover frequency is about 80Hz.

The walls need to be rigid enough so they don't flex and bracing can be used to push up the first panel resonances above the working range of the subs as well.

Make sure the box is placed on soft viscoelstic feets though in order to reduce distortion. If you see spikes (especially four of them) under the box then you can be sure the designer would do a better job flipping burgers or something as he must have missed physics class in school.


/Peter

[AUDIOBOMBER]

pm15 passive here - you will need subs anyhow

[Virtalahde]

I worked with BM6A's in a pretty small, bass trapped room for a while. No sub.

My work translated OK, the low end needed some guesswork. Later on I realized the BM6A's were slightly soft around 2,5kHz which made me do a bit sharp sounding masters. But experience had a lot to do with it, too.

I say you could do a lot worse - by buying 8040's, for example.

[msm07]

I think i'm going with the bm12a's and a sub....not sure what sub though. Heard nothing but bad things about the dynaudio subs. Budget is £800 for one sub. Any recomendations?

[AUDIOBOMBER]

Originally Posted by msm07

I think i'm going with the bm12a's and a sub....not sure what sub though. Heard nothing but bad things about the dynaudio subs. Budget is £800 for one sub. Any recomendations?

i listened to a genelec sub recently , sounded quity mighty to me

[psykostx]

Originally Posted by Audiop

Make sure the box is placed on soft viscoelstic feets though in order to reduce distortion. If you see spikes (especially four of them) under the box then you can be sure the designer would do a better job flipping burgers or something as he must have missed physics class in school.
/Peter

Hard, dead vinyl. Think hockey puck. Anything that doesn't vibrate when you hit it with a hammer, yet doesn't flex and spring at ultra-low frequencies like bouncy ball style rubber does...that leads to distortion also. If it has metal studs for feet its actually good for placing it on hockey pucks, maybe thats what those designers were thinkin...lol.

[psykostx]

Also, I was considering Dynaudio BM6aII's for my mixing setup, should I just go for the bigger BM12a's or will that thin out my mixes you think?

I had a pair of homemades that I really miss, but they were ruined so right now I'm A/B/C/D ing with 3 diff pairs of fairly expensive headphones and a pair of mixcubes thru a nice torroidal amp. Surprisingly, my mixes/pseudomasters come out way way more polished sounding?! I definitely hear the deficiencies in low end and stereo field if I don't check them tho. I guess anything thats more is an upgrade. This crap I've been getting to work with these days is bumming me out! Don't these FOH engineers know not to FX the indiv tracks when doin a live cut! I don't know how many plosives I've had to fix with a quick twist of a sonic maximizer or the harmonix slider on sonnox and a quick spike in the volume envelope...is there a better way to fix someone's inferior gating/compression and "repair" (turd polish) the plosive and dynamics? Sonnox transient modulator sux!

Also, whats the fastest moving subwoofer around these days? The most balanced? The baddest ass?

I kno I ask a lot of questions, but I give a lot of answers too!

PS: Does anyone have a graphic of a can of turd polish? That would be classic...

[psykostx]

Originally Posted by Audiop

Doesn't matter when the shortest wavelength of the sub bandwith is much longer than the dimensions of the enclosure.

Yea, haven't you ever built a sub enclosure for your car before? That's why outside the car it sounds all like one frequency, but inside you get the ful range with no peaks or dips except in the resonant freqency of the metal/glass making up the car itself... very low... hence rear view mirrors falling off/trunks popping open... ruined eardrums hip-hop mastering career... j/k about the last one

The best sub I have ever heard was in a Jeep. My friend built a box that was over 100lbs of 3" thick oak HDF. Then gave a pair of Infinity Q Reference subs 2000 Watts at 2 Ohms from an Orion cheater amp with a rather large (even by mobaudiophile standards) capacitor. Play Korn's first album to hear the baddest-ass response time of any sub! Sounded not like a kick drum was in the Jeep, but like the kick drum was amplified through a full arena PA system in the back seat. And FLAWLESS response. I MEAN FLAWLESS. It sounded no different than headphones or bookshelf speakers punch-wise. No lag. AMAZING!!

PS: Also tried a set of cheapo Xplod's, and the box more than doubled their perfomance.

Also: To make this really long post still fit into this thread, is a Dynaudio sub Mickey Mouse? Who makes the speaker for it? Is it proprietary?
I'm about to go pick up a set of Infinity drivers and build the sickest cabs I can design...why not right? $500-1000 that could save me $8000 and be a great learning experience...y not ...