Dear Mod's , Why No Sticky ???

[flatfinger]

Is'nt it about time for a sticky in the mastering forum regarding RTA's? These threads contsantly spawn again and again, with sickiningly predictable results (flames ).

If the purpose of the forum is to educate , ( as opposed to being a clique corner ) then why not put a sticky that calmly offers an impassionate view of both the pros and cons .
Basic information About FFT, resolution and block size effects , and temporal resolution should be offered , as well as information about spectral editors .

It's getting a bit difficult to take the forum seriously when these threads always result in such childish retoric and the seemingly (?) ad-hoc mis-information that is always present .
Or , perhaps the lack of a sticky and dealing with this problem is by design ?????

Why no Stickey??

It seems to me that it is Obviously much needed.

[Sunbreak Music]

Because from a mastering perspective, it's not that important. IMO, it sends the wrong message to someone expecting the best advice from some of the best (or at least well known) people in the industry regarding how they approach the process.

The idea that it's that significant should have been dismissed in favor of the constant advice regarding monitoring chain, room acoustics, familiarity with reference material, etc..

I think too much attention has been drawn to it already, and am aware of the irony of me posting this. It's something almost everyone uses at some point, but it's not "sticky worthy", as that would acknowledge it's an integral part of the art, which for the majority it isn't.

.02

[macc]

So long as EV is around, it is practically a sticky anyway

[kjg]

I agree that it is not at all "sticky worthy", for all the reasons Sunbreak Music gives.

Further more, in the past the topic has actually been discussed in a very civilized way. Just like all subjects are normally discussed here. Factual, not too emotional, and with respect for each other's opinions and habits.

Only recently this specific topic has become volatile and I don't think it is the topic itself. Why would it? RTA's are useful tools, that most of use don't need 99% of the time. A bit like multiband compressors. Still those are not a volatile subject for some reason. If multibands would be a volatile subject, would that justify a sticky on that subject? No way.

Best regards,
Klaas-Jan Govaart

[flatfinger]

Originally Posted by Sunbreak Music

I and am aware of the irony of me posting this.

Did'nt stop you though, did it !!



So you'd rather have the threads ???

Maybe a curious newb could use the stickey and get what they neede without all the strife .

[flatfinger]

Originally Posted by kjg

Further more, in the past the topic has actually been discussed in a very civilized way. Just like all subjects are normally discussed here.

you're funny

[flatfinger]

Most threads never get into the level of discussing the detais of what it is and how it works . It's usually just blanket dismisal (thanks for the examples above guys ) and fire about how big of a mistake it is .
And it probablly is allot of the time !! Especially if you've got a great room !
But what about when you don't ?? (Come to you and show you the $$$ , Right )
What about if you don't have the $$ ??


Here is a link or two that would help that newb ( if he is studious and wants to apply himself)

Electronic Musician explains metering and analysis programs | What metering and analysis programs are and how to use them to avoid audio problems



Analyze This | Learn about computer-based metering and analysis tools

[Ben F]

I missed all the action of the FFT thread, everything was deleted!

[flatfinger]

Originally Posted by Sunbreak Music

. IMO, it sends the wrong message to someone expecting the best advice.

How would you advise them without knowing the specifics of their situation ??? Obviously having an impeccable room is best . Your opinion seems to be based on that as a given ; is that a requiremnet to come here an ask for advice ??

[mercurydime]

if a "sticky" were to be made from any recent threads, i'd say the 'monitor calibration' thread(s) would be a good one...

just my ' dos pesos'...

regards,

[kjg]

Why a sticky? Before you know it the first two pages are stickies..

what is wrong with typing

site:gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum "monitor calibration"

into google?

[24-96 Mastering]

Originally Posted by flatfinger

How would you advise them without knowing the specifics of their situation ???

You ask them for the specifics of their situation and answer acc. to what they say. Like in mastering, where every song is looked at individually, I say let's treat each visitor like the unique and delicate snow flake they are.

The links you posted above look good on first glance by the way. You/me/someone could post them when someone asks specifically about understanding / reading meters / RTAs.

Originally Posted by flatfinger

Obviously having an impeccable room is best . Your opinion seems to be based on that as a given ; is that a requiremnet to come here an ask for advice ??

Hmmm... a rhetorical question with a far fetched implication: It seems you have an agenda. Well what is it?

PS: Actually, can I ask, why not just ask the mods directly??

[mercurydime]

Originally Posted by kjg

Why a sticky? Before you know it the first two pages are stickies..

what is wrong with typing

site:gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum "monitor calibration"

into google?

nothing wrong at all about that. mostly just thinkin' "out loud".

[Sunbreak Music]

Originally Posted by flatfinger

How would you advise them without knowing the specifics of their situation ??? Obviously having an impeccable room is best . Your opinion seems to be based on that as a given ; is that a requiremnet to come here an ask for advice ??

I would say it's like mastering on headphones--you do what you gotta' do given your specifics, but I wouldn't expect Bob Katz to tell me it's a great idea.

There was a time when I was convinced that MEs used multiband processing as the norm (hey--there are some good marketing machines out there). Of course I realized that's not the case after my first mastering session as the mix engineer, but should I sanction that line of thought now that I know better? Still have that Quantum II, btw.

So that's all I'm saying, flatfinger. No one expects everyone to be an expert or have a perfect space. The question I have for you is whether you want the information here to be of the highest caliber--which is what GS has been known for? I would think so--it's normally a great place to learn.

So just take it for what it's worth to you.

[macc]

Originally Posted by kjg

Why a sticky? Before you know it the first two pages are stickies..

what is wrong with typing

site:gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum "monitor calibration"

into google?

This post needs to be a sticky.

[Waltz Mastering]

Originally Posted by Ben F

I missed all the action of the FFT thread, everything was deleted!

Entertaining to say the least.

[flatfinger]

Originally Posted by 24-96 Mastering

PS: Actually, can I ask, why not just ask the mods directly??

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/members/riccardo

[flatfinger]

There is one , count that , one sticky at the front page . Seems to make all the static about too many of them ring hollow.
As far as agenda (everyones got one , no ?) I guess I just have a thought it would be a helluva good Idea !!
I did say make it dispationate and not opinionated , just the facts , what they are , what they do .

[fader8]

Originally Posted by flatfinger

There is one , count that , one sticky at the front page . Seems to make all the static about too many of them ring hollow.
As far as agenda (everyones got one , no ?) I guess I just have a thought it would be a helluva good Idea !!
I did say make it dispationate and not opinionated , just the facts , what they are , what they do .

Instead of a sticky, why don't you write something up and post it in Tips & Techniques on this site. There's even facility for discussion there. As it's a bit more formal, perhaps the discussion would remain somewhat civil! Depending on "certain factors" of course.

[jayfrigo]

Half the threads around here at any time could probably be stickies, and the same topics certainly do come up again and again. There's little point in trying to sticky everything. There is a search function that could alleviate the most boring rehashes if it were used more often; but on the other hand, often a new thread gives you a new take. What about the current mastering compressor thread? Like that hasn't been done to death? But still, we all seem to be enjoying it, and a few new interesting bits of info have been injected.

[macc]

[finetuner]

Originally Posted by macc

i just wet my pants...

[lowland]

Originally Posted by macc

Nice one, Macc.

[Edward_Vinatea]

Originally Posted by jayfrigo

but on the other hand, often a new thread gives you a new take.

You absolutely right, Jay. I was going to make a worthy point from my discussions with certain users and dear Massive but as we all know a troll hijacked the entire thread. I would love to make the final point about that J. Mayer song which was relating to the use of RTAs to reduce sibilance. But, of course, I won't if you or members don't want to hear about it anymore.

There is also something that Lupo said and that should be underlined:

Do actually often run RTA too, since it's easier than not with the RME software's totalyzer.Have a dedicated screen for metering. It's turned off unless I want to check a specific event. It's also placed at 130' angle to the sweet spot forward direction, so I won't see it while hearing, even if the monitor happen to be on. All that to avoid looking at the RTA..

I could not agree with Lupo more here. If the root of the problem with some users is that they believe that I am pushing to convince ME's to be looking every second to a RTA, then there is a gross misunderstanding because I don't do that either. I have a dedicated computer doing real time analysis and it's exactly 180 degrees from the sweet spot (in my back side), so when I hear a mix, I face the monitors, when I analyze, I turn and watch the RTA. The only reason I would encourage, not a real ME but a newbie, to be always watching one is to learn how things work and look on great mixes of all times.

I hope this clarifies some of the wrong perceptions about what I write.


Best regards,

[kjg]

The other thread was closed, and this surely is not the thread to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of RTA's.

The OP started this thread to discuss whether or not we should have a sticky on the subject. Not to discuss their use and share success stories.

Let's stay on topic here.

[AUDIOBOMBER]

and btw , after years of feeling alone in terms of mastering, learning and doing all by myself just by try and error, i was sooooo happy to find this forum where experieced ME share their thoughts...
still being a newbe here i cant say how much i appreciate that forum and how much i give respect to most of the guys in here....

selfmade mastering guru`s are the pain in the ass in here - and there is just one

[Edward_Vinatea]

Originally Posted by AUDIOBOMBER

selfmade mastering guru`s are the pain in the ass in here - and there is just one

But you should know this: all mastering gurus are self made. It's not our fault that some people consider us that way and call us that on their sites.

[kjg]

Seriously Edward,

Why not reply on topic, or be silent?
Sticky yes or no and why? That is the question.

Nobody asked you to again push your own de-essing improvements on already mastered music, let alone to find pictures on people's myspace.

Can you stay on topic? Or you want this thread to also be closed by the end of the day?

I'm sure most here would be interested in hearing your opinion on whether or not a sticky on the subject would make sense, since you are such a passionate RTA user. So please share your views on that.

But again, and I hope this registers, this thread is not about the merits of RTA's and success stories, it is about whether or not there should be a sticky.

[Edward_Vinatea]

Originally Posted by kjg

I'm sure most here would be interested in hearing your opinion on whether or not a sticky on the subject would make sense, since you are such a passionate RTA user. So please share your views on that.

But again, and I hope this registers, this thread is not about the merits of RTA's and success stories, it is about whether or not there should be a sticky.

Good point Klaas-Jan. And, I wouldn't want this thread closed. I was not going to make a case for the RTA/sibilance method on this thread anyway. For that I would use one already open {if any} or make my own thread.

My view on the sticky topic is same as yours.

Regards,

[Edward_Vinatea]

Originally Posted by AUDIOBOMBER

i said one - only one ( 1 ) in here , so why using words like "our" or "us"....?
must be majestic plural , but that belongs to me, as you saw that i`m a princess

Because there are many.

I think you've done enough damage on this thread. And, attacking a ME on this forum is not tolerated.