Dear Mod's , Why No Sticky ???

[kjg]

Originally Posted by Edward_Vinatea

Good point Klaas-Jan. And, I wouldn't want this thread closed. I was not going to make a case for the RTA/sibilance method on this thread anyway. For that I would use one already open {if any} or make my own thread.

My view on the sticky topic is same as yours.

Regards,

Thank you for still sharing your view Edward. And how nice that we agree for once

But, I hope you can see that with your first post in this thread (I quoted it below), you yourself effectively hijacked this thread, for your own purposes:
To clear up misunderstandings, to tell us how you position your RTA, and to remind us again about the J. Mayer song.

Never in your first post you reply on topic. You are pushing your own agenda, ignoring the true topic at hand. It is related to what interests you, and so you take the thread off on a tangent. This irritates a lot of people, as you probably tell from the responses...

The discussion in this thread was calm, and OT. Until your post. I'm sure you can see that too?

I don't mean to be hostile Edward, just trying to point something out to you.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but most often things are being discussed in a very calm and factual way on this forum. Just not most of the threads that you participate in. Ever noticed that? Maybe reflect on that a little, and ask yourself what the response would have been if you would have just posted your view on the "sticky or not" question, without mentioning yesterday's supposed trolls, your J. Mayer example, and how you position your RTA. That was all off topic, all your own agenda. And now, once again, you are experiencing hostility from some members. I'm sure you are able to see the link yourself as well.

Best regards,
Klaas-Jan

Originally Posted by Edward_Vinatea

You absolutely right, Jay. I was going to make a worthy point from my discussions with certain users and dear Massive but as we all know a troll hijacked the entire thread. I would love to make the final point about that J. Mayer song which was relating to the use of RTAs to reduce sibilance. But, of course, I won't if you or members don't want to hear about it anymore.

There is also something that Lupo said and that should be underlined:

I could not agree with Lupo more here. If the root of the problem with some users is that they believe that I am pushing to convince ME's to be looking every second to a RTA, then there is a gross misunderstanding because I don't do that either. I have a dedicated computer doing real time analysis and it's exactly 180 degrees from the sweet spot (in my back side), so when I hear a mix, I face the monitors, when I analyze, I turn and watch the RTA. The only reason I would encourage, not a real ME but a newbie, to be always watching one is to learn how things work and look on great mixes of all times.

I hope this clarifies some of the wrong perceptions about what I write.


Best regards,

[Nordenstam]

It would be interesting if this forum set out to create a FAQ. It could become the most comprehensive mastering resource on the net. But then again, what would the forum do in the future?

Another point, already made, is that it often takes several tries to get good at explaining something. I know for myself, that the first few tries are often a bit fumbling, it takes a few attempts at it before the easily comprehensible explanations appear. So I vote no against sticky.

Originally Posted by kjg

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but most often things are being discussed in a very calm and factual way on this forum. Just not most of the threads that you participate in. Ever noticed that?

+1

[fader8]

Originally Posted by Edward_Vinatea

. . . if you make it impossible for one to express any ideas or points of views, then you are destroying the fabric of this foum. And again, attacking a ME is not tolerated.

On the contrary, I'd say it's highly tolerated here. Much more so than any other forums I've participated in where insulting a member gets you one warning and then you're out.

But back on topic, Edward, since you feel so strongly about your techniques and have a need to communicate that, why don't you post a write-up in Tips & Techniques about how you use your tools to identify and correct sibilance. Link to a couple of real-world problem files, not ripped CD's, and describe your process. If you don't have anything on hand, I'm sure other members could provide some useful example files.

I think this would provide a much more meaningful and productive venue for discussing the virtues of "various" types of analysis used in mastering, ears or otherwise, than a sticky in this forum would.

[73*]

As a newb to this forum (and a non-ME) I suppose this would be a good thread to chime in on, seeing as the OT is about those people like me who may be looking for info...


I don't believe that there should be a sticky thread on this topic or any other. It's like Massive's signature "Spoon feed a newbie an answer...". In the long run I feel that the quality of the discussions in this forum would be seriously diluted and most people would just gloss over the sticky and just post a new thread anyway. If you look at other audio forums (future producers for example), there are tons of sticky's at the top of their mixing/mastering forum. Yet everyday there is a new thread asking about "Mastering" (but it really they have a mix related question). It contributes very little, if at all.

Sticky threads create clutter, and get in the way of seeing the vast number of new and interesting topics that get discussed here everyday. Topics that people like me read and then use as a spring board for more indepth study.

I believe that all a sticky thread is is just a ineffective attempt to provide the information that is contained in Books, Articles, and AES papers etc. It appeals to the lowest common denominator, something that I believe is at philisophical odds with what it should mean to be a Mastering Engineer.

I don't come here to read Mr. Katz Book (I have a copy at home for that), I come here to read what he and others have to say on daily basis about all things audio.

Just my $0.02


Gabriel

[Edward_Vinatea]

Originally Posted by fader8

On the contrary, I'd say it's highly tolerated here. Much more so than any other forums I've participated in where insulting a member gets you one warning and then you're out.

But back on topic, Edward, since you feel so strongly about your techniques and have a need to communicate that, why don't you post a write-up in Tips & Techniques about how you use your tools to identify and correct sibilance. Link to a couple of real-world problem files, not ripped CD's, and describe your process. If you don't have anything on hand, I'm sure other members could provide some useful example files.

I think this would provide a much more meaningful and productive venue for discussing the virtues of "various" types of analysis used in mastering, ears or otherwise, than a sticky in this forum would.

I am glad to see that I can have a civil conversation with you regardless that we had some disagreements on the subject before. I need to say that your idea is excellent. As soon as the details of a certain important project are finalized and worked out {per Baking tape in New York} I will dedicate the time to do that at length.

Regards Randall,

[kjg]

Originally Posted by Edward_Vinatea

All discussions will continue to be disrupted by the same users who are assuming they can get away with it. There must be more to hating someone for using and teaching RTA guidance methods. Don't you think you encourage them when you make comments like that? Not so much for what you say, but for what you don't.

What those "same users" make of my post is irrelevant.
I'm encouraging you to reflect and show some responsibility for your own part in all this. Don't victimize yourself. Don't make it all "the other users" fault.

So what I am saying is (and I mean best for you AND the forum as a whole):

Stay on topic, and ignore provocations.
You'll see soon enough that the hostility towards your person will evaporate.

Personally, I find it very strange that you refuse to see your own part in this but instead keep pointing to "others" as the source of the problem. You do this every time a thread ends up being locked. It was always "the others". The ones out to get you, the ones not mature or professional enough, the ones on a campaign against technique x or y etc.
Why do other ME's not get into arguments with these "others" then? Why only you?

In the past I have been one of the others, macc has been one of the others, 24-96 has been of the others, Lupo has been one of the others etc etc etc The list could be much longer. These are all (yes, including me) nice guys, all knowledgeable in one way or another, all contributing to the forum very regularly, never having trouble with anyone.
Today, there are other "others". And there will continue to be others, day after day, year after year. Because part of the problem does lie with you, or more correctly, with your behavior.

I'm sure that by now, there are a few people around here with a grudge against you. But if you ignore their provocations, stay on topic, and don't post on subjects that you really don't know much about (or at least not with the tone of an authority), you'll see that in time the hostility will fade away.

Like I said before, I don't hold a grudge against you and with posting this I really am only trying to be constructive.
I'm may not be your friend, but I am definitely not your enemy.

regards,
Klaas-Jan

PS: I think fader8's suggestion is an excellent one.

[jayfrigo]

Perhaps the result of this thread helps to explain why we don't have a sticky on RTAs. It would go over about as well as having a sticky about Democrats vs. Republicans.

[jayfrigo]

Originally Posted by Edward_Vinatea

Oh no Jay. As per Klaas-Jan. It's about me.

I am leaving then. What do you say?

I am fine with that, I have no problem not sharing what I know here. Your call.

I'm certainly not asking you to leave. I just wish you would (all) sometimes simply agree to disagree when particular issues come up, and let these long threads end before they get out of hand. I know it's hard to let it drop if you feel targeted, but try to adjust your threshold up a little so that the compression doesn't overshoot every time the snare hits... perhaps this analogy was a silly idea...

[AUDIOBOMBER]

....no - this analogy`s pretty cool and quite wise spoken but i dont believe in changing people too much.
posting in this forum is not really important to me couse it`s quite hard finding right words for sharing and i`m always in need for an dictionary.
but i absolutely wont miss reading couse as i already mentioned i`m very lucky having found GEARSLUTZ finaly.
so lets make a deal :
- i stop posting and go back into invisible reading
- E.V. stops posting so that i can enjoy reading gearslutz again beeing not annoyed by him any more........!!!

....and yes, i know this is selfish

bst.

[AUDIOBOMBER]

Originally Posted by AUDIOBOMBER

but i absolutely wont miss reading couse as i already mentioned i`m very lucky having found GEARSLUTZ finaly.
.

oops - bullshit - sorry - correction - I ABSOLUTELY WILL MISS READING - (had too less sleep)


i just realize i`m loosing control bout language - sorry - dont know which sentence is gramatically correct dfegadtuttfuuck

[flatfinger]

Waves PAZ Analyzer... Filling in the gaps.....


Once again mods , ( it would be nice to hear from you , just to
know that you're even existant , ) I'd like to ask , why do you
want this forum operate like this . Only a few days after this
thread , a guy with 3 post ask a question, this time about a
stereo analysis plugg. He asked about it in a very gracious and
self-effacing manner and was treated in a very ingracious way .
It's obvious that the greatest percentage of "veiwership" around
here has a very strong opinion against analysis pluggs , for
whatever reason, quite frankly , that's not even the point to me
now.. . It just that it still seems crazy that you mods sit back
and do nothing time after time .
Here is a great Idea . Why don't you just lock any thread where a
newbie ask about these tools . O.K.
By letting the thugs\mob element thrash a newcomer like this , you
show that it is with your silent approval , and that the forums
official stance on analysisi pluggs is that they are of no use
what so ever . Which is fine .

This forum is no democracy , and I am not here to cry a foul
about free speech ; I just wish there was an element of forthright
honesty about this subject .This forum can be a neat little clique
where everybody in lockstep agrees about RTA's ; fine!! whatever
!.
But Why let the unmitigated thrashing of those who have a
different view ( like edward V. for instance ??) go on ,
unmoderated ??


I understand that a mod has to walk a line between pulling the reigns to much and letting discussion happen , but my god , you give carte blanch sometimes ...... are you even there ????????

[flatfinger]

Originally Posted by jayfrigo

Half the threads around here at any time could probably be stickies, and the same topics certainly do come up again and again. There's little point in trying to sticky everything. There is a search function that could alleviate the most boring rehashes if it were used more often; but on the other hand, often a new thread gives you a new take. What about the current mastering compressor thread? Like that hasn't been done to death? But still, we all seem to be enjoying it, and a few new interesting bits of info have been injected.

You know that most threads do not contain the amount of contention that the analysis threads do . no one gets a thrashing like the guy in the Paz thread did when talking compressors. you know it .

[flatfinger]

I was'nt aware that a mod had sent me a PM .......... Still disappointed . I will steer clear of these threads because of al the irrational vitrol. Imperfect world and all .