Originally Posted by edham
Looking for opinions on N802's.
I did a demo at a local NYC retailer of the 802D's and walked away pretty confused.
If you're talking about Stereo Exchange on Broadway I have to say that their listening rooms ime are extremely inaccurate and I personally would take with a grain of salt any conclusions regarding the components accuracy made by listening in these rooms.
If you wanted to hear B&W N802's in a different room I'm glad to have you over at my studio in Greenpoint, Brooklyn when I don't have any sessions scheduled - you can pm me at steve at totalsonic dot net
if you are interested in this.
After coming from barefoots the 802D's came across as having a substantial low mid bump.
I have been searching for a freq plot and can't find one anywhere to confirm or dispute this.
Figuring the showroom could be the issue I hit the mono button - disconnected one speaker and moved the other away from walls and sat right in front of it - trying different distances.
Cloudy in the low mids in all positions.
I don't find the Nautilus 802's to be this way in my room at all.
One thing I have to say though is that they don't have particularly excellent vertical coherence so in most rooms (including mine) it's important to have their height set correctly (set stock not on stands is generally not the best positioning imo - I use Sound Anchors for my setup to raise them up about 6") and to maintain a particular listening position height to be able to stay in their "sweet spot."
So my question is do the N series have this same "sound"?
How flat are they?
Flat enough for me to get very consistent reference approvals from clients, to have excellent translation of masters/mixes to other systems. and for me to be able to very easily hear problems in all ranges of the spectrum.
I personally am a very big fan of them and currently have no desire to switch to another system, although admittedly I have not heard anywhere near all of the other high end options.
Anyone N802 owners have a chance to compare to barefoots?? (and .....?)
I've never heard the Barefoots, seems most folks who have them really love them though. I've heard lots of Bryston amps though and while I think they are very good they are not my first or even second choice for amplifiers.
How different are the D series from the N? (other than the tweeter).
From the Stereophile article that Bruce linked to: The innovations B&W has included in its new 800 series include tweeters with diamond domes, redesigned Kevlar FST midrange cones, new woofer diaphragm materials, and a new crossover configuration. And while to the casual observer the 802D may look much like its predecessor, the Nautilus 802, there are external changes as well.
The 1" tweeter used in the new 800 series has a dome of vacuum-deposited particles of diamond, which, though not as low in mass as materials such as beryllium, possesses greater stiffness in the useful frequency range. With its new suspension and motor assembly, the tweeter's lowered fundamental resonance also permits a first-order, 6dB/octave crossover to the midrange, which in turn dictated the new series' most obvious external feature: the bullet-shaped tweeter enclosure is now embedded deeper into the midrange enclosure, so that the tweeter and midrange drive-units are in phase at the crossover frequency.
The 6" Kevlar-cone midrange driver, in B&W's signature yellow tint, has been updated with the addition of a foam damping ring under the cone periphery, and its more powerful but smaller neodymium magnet structure and redesigned basket mean that obstruction of the cone's rear radiation is greatly reduced. The controversial FST midrange cone is still intended to break up in a controlled manner, but even more uniformly and predictably. Again, the characteristic midrange Nautilus-shell is nestled into the soft, glove-leather embrace of the main enclosure, as in earlier 800-series speakers.
Two 8" woofers with Rohacell diaphragms complete the driver array. Rohacell is a lightweight sandwich of rigid foam between sheets of carbon fiber. B&W engineers like to demonstrate its remarkable stiffness by standing on a speaker cone unsupported by frame or magnet assembly.
B&W's proprietary Matrix construction is retained for the woofer cabinet, but the 802D's base and port are inherited from the Signature 800. The flared port is lined with dimples that, like those on a golf ball, are intended to reduce air turbulence, providing for noiseless laminar flow at all sound-pressure levels. Further, the port is aimed downward at and precisely spaced from a fixed base. The construction, shape, and relationship of the base to the port fixes the port's performance and makes it independent of floor coverings and mounting devices, such as casters and spikes. The wider bandwidths of the new drive-units allowed B&W to simplify the crossover, with fewer passive elements in the signal path between input and driver.