Death Magnetic

[chk027]

Metallicadfegad is just ripping off the fans that pulled them out of poverty, and they are blood sucking the life out of the working class that pay their way, they are no different then the government, except what they do really matters to their people. And they Failed!fuuck

as far as the music same old same old.....I stopped at Justice for All........because there is none, and this crap proves their own theory! fuuck

2 thumbs up their asses!dfegad

**** Metallica, sellouts!

[chk027]

Originally Posted by joerod

Metallica has been known for taking some controversial stands in the past like illegal music downloading. Well, I wouldn't be surprised if this is yet another point the want to make with the fans and the music industry.

Ulrich doesn't shut the f up long enough to think that deep.

[joerod]

Originally Posted by moracspace

Picked it up Friday,listened to it allday in my van,I was blown away I called every Metallica fan I know to go get it.Arrived at the studio around 5pm popped it in the deck,played it thru the P22s fvcking loud.30 seconds into the first song I thought there was something wrong with my Adams.WTF,pulled out old faithfull CD Rumours to test.I was so releaved that my p22s where ok.The overall distortion on the entire CD is trash and should be pulled from the shelves to be re mixed ASAP
Why would anyone want to hear that kind of noise.I thought about the Culture Vulture a whole bunch last night.Wondered if it made its way on that POS CD.

So, are you basically saying that the distortion sounds acceptable in crappy speakers? If so, lots of people may think that it sounds fine, no?..

[24-96 Mastering]

Just listened to it.

Wow. That's bad. Really bad. I kinda had to laugh when I heard it. Otoh, if I were a fan, I'd cry.

[joerod]

I have little doubts that it was done on purpose. How could they not know? ...

[shangoe]

Re-Mix or Remaster Death Magnetic! - Petition - Sign this petition here - Signature page - GoPetition

[Sui_City]

Originally Posted by Masterer

Receiving smashed mixes is commonplace.

These mixes were well beyond the typical smashed mixes of the day. This is a new level of smashed. The kind of smashed that makes jaded engineers like me and Ted shake our heads and laugh [a special kind of of laugh] and wait for the forum posts to roll on in.

Chris,

I am stunned. It's not like the mix engineers don't have a few credits to their names.

It's becoming increasingly difficult to know where to place the responsibility for shit like this. And when i listen to a band i like, and i hear the damage done, i just want to give up listening to them.

My condolences.

Originally Posted by James Meeker View Post
It must be some type of strategy to make a record that sounds so awful nobody would want to illegally download it!

That particular strategy was recently used to great effect in the software industry.

MS Vista

[fradoca]

wanna see the waveform?
here it is...from another forum :


Death Magnetic - Wave Form Analysis


well...

[Sui_City]

Originally Posted by fradoca

wanna see the waveform?
here it is...from another forum :


Death Magnetic - Wave Form Analysis


well...

Looks like they missed a spot.

[macc]

I looked at that and thought ' ' ...

... then I scrolled down and saw the retail version and my face literally - really - looked like ' '

[Freq Farm]

Originally Posted by macc

I looked at that and thought ' ' ...

... then I scrolled down and saw the retail version and my face literally - really - looked like ' '

exact same reaction here!

for sheer comedy value does anyone know the RMS?

[24-96 Mastering]

Originally Posted by Freq Farm

exact same reaction here!

for sheer comedy value does anyone know the RMS?

I just skipped through 3 random songs and the highest I saw on the meter was -4,3 dB RMS (-1,3 RMS in AES17 norm), looking at the realtime RMS meter with Wavelab's default time constants.

Wavelab's global analysis (with its default time constants) reports -2,93 RMS [+0,07 in AES17] RMS in one of those tracks.

Most of the album (looking at the meters) sits between -7 and -5 (between -4 and -2 in AES17).

You remember that popular myth that mastering will "make your record sound the same across different systems"? I now get the point. Death Magnetic (although apparently not introduced through mastering) sounds thin and distorted on my laptop speakers. And it sounds thin and distorted in my mastering studio. There's always a silver lining :p

[macc]

^ LOL

[James Meeker]

Originally Posted by 24-96 Mastering

Most of the album sits between -7 and -5 (between -4 and -2 in AES17).

I don't care how much money you pump into a record or how skilled everyone involved is, you cannot make a record sound good at that level of squash. UGH.

-9 RMS is my personal limit, and even then it sounds like crap to me. Personally, -14 db RMS is a pretty reasonable standard that I can live with. If you do things right there won't be any degradation and lots of room for dynamics.

[ianshepherd]

-2.93 RMS !?!

What's puzzling me is - people were complaining about the early leak. But the mastered version is even louder. So although Ted is saying it was smashed when it came in, it looks like they persuaded him to smash it even further...?

Ian

[24-96 Mastering]

Originally Posted by ianshepherd

-2.93 RMS !?!

I should say though that that's the highest peaking RMS - and that Wavelab's Global Analysis tool has different time constants to its RMS realtime meter. So for a number you can relate to, if you're used to watching the meters, use the -4,3. Still, that's bad enough, of course.

[krid]

Listen to this :

YouTube - Metallica - Making Of Death Magnetic - German Soup - Cyanide - Part 1

at 2:42 you can listen to the recorded drums, they sound great and powerful.

Then you listen to the cd and it's all distorded.

[krid]

Man, listening to those making of videos is depressing.

The song sounds so great.

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by fradoca

uhmm...reading all the comments made by metallica fans
you get the whole picture..disappointment for bad sound quality
is the main word....and anger also...
There's even an online petition asking
for a re-mix and re-master of the album...
I think that Ted Jensen has no responsability for this due to the
fact that levels were all ready smashed to death....his hands
were tied...i can understand why his name is not on the cd credits...
I think that Rick Rubin has the responsability for this...
He already made something like that with the RHCP album "Californication".
That cd has distorted sound...insane levels and a lot of RHCP fans
asked for a remastered version of the album...but nothing happened
in that way...I hope this episode will put an end to the loudness war....

just my two cents..


cheers

Nothing will happen until people stop buying albums with that kind of treatment. You would think they would have learned their lesson with St Anger but the product moved off the shelf so all must be well in their minds.

As for Rick Rubin, he is a hack and always has been. He came to fame because of the acts he brought to light, not his production "talent". He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a studio in my opinion

[chk027]

I would shoot myself going through that process.

I love James but that singing is just getting worse with every release, when he keeps it simple its sounds good, when he yoodles it sucks. He is a laid back cat, which is awesome.

Lars please shut up!

[Masterer]

Originally Posted by ianshepherd

-2.93 RMS !?!

What's puzzling me is - people were complaining about the early leak. But the mastered version is even louder. So although Ted is saying it was smashed when it came in, it looks like they persuaded him to smash it even further...?

Ian

Would that surprise you? Anything else would be shocking.

[joerod]

Originally Posted by ianshepherd

-2.93 RMS !?!

What's puzzling me is - people were complaining about the early leak. But the mastered version is even louder. So although Ted is saying it was smashed when it came in, it looks like they persuaded him to smash it even further...?

Ian

My guess is that if it sounds mildly distorted to you, it was given that way to TJ. When there is no headroom left on mixes, the best you can do is to make sure that things sound cohesive and balanced...

[Melodioso]

[24-96 Mastering]

A friend just told me that Greg Fidlman (who mixed Death Magnetic) routinely has a limiter on the master bus. And on a recent project, that friend had asked Greg to reprint mixes again without the limiter because the first batch was incredibly brickwalled. So I guess the stage where it all went wrong was indeed the mixing.

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by 24-96 Mastering

A friend just told me that Greg Fidlman (who mixed Death Magnetic) routinely has a limiter on the master bus. And on a recent project, that friend had asked Greg to reprint mixes again without the limiter because the first batch was incredibly brickwalled. So I guess the stage where it all went wrong was indeed the mixing.

I'm no fan of Metallica but how can that level of incompetence be happening at that level?

[joerod]

Originally Posted by TheArchitect

I'm no fan of Metallica but how can that level of incompetence be happening at that level?

Me and others have the idea that it was done deliberately by the group, their label or their management...

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by joerod

Me and others have the idea that it was done deliberately by the group, their label or their management...

Metallica is at a point in their career where they have the leverage to not let those types have that type of influence on their work. If its any of the above the band is responsible.

I realize people need to make a living but that level of garbage would seem to be career suicide for anyone associate with the recording process. I certainly wouldn't want anyone that would let that slide work on my stuff regardless of what the client wanted them to do. It seems like far to high of a price to have Metallica on the resume to me

[krid]

Well there is a demo cd and it is not distorded like the cd.

The demo cd is more pleasant to listen to.

[Raygun]

This CD is insane. It's unbeliavable how bad it sounds. I get super stressed when I hear it. It's not loud and nasty in a good way. It's just nasty in a ******** way. What happened here? It's confusing to listen to - the guys who've made this album know what they do. But give ME the files and I will make a better f***ing mix with headphones on my laptop. I was going to admit that might be an overstatement but.. not really.. :P Seriously, what happened??

I'm just imagining what it must be like listening to this on an iPod. That experience will probably shorten ones life with a couple of weeks, due to the stress this unbeliavable level of harsh digital mayhem produces..

[ianshepherd]

It gets better - fans are now complaining the version used for "Guitar Hero" sounds better:

The sound is perfect, in Guitar Hero

Cleaner and no distortion, allegedly...

Ian