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| Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Romania
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| If we have better amps why are songs mastered the way they are? |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC USA
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| | #93 |
| Motown legend Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Songwriter Gulch, Nashville TN
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| There is only one reason people make things as loud as possible. It is paranoia that somebody who is trying to decide which of two artists they are going to book or play on the radio might be listening to something louder from the other artist.
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| | #94 |
| Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Romania
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| If this was the only problem wouldn't be the radio's job to do the compression? Btw: I've noticed that excessive compression is applied not only in the studio, but on the net. For example, youtube applies this kind of compression and there is no option given to the uploader to disable it. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, UK
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Turning your volume knob up is an inconvenience for the average consumer apparently. | |
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| Gear addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, England
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| | #98 | |
| Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2008
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About the noise level from amps thing, I never thought of that before but it's interesting because it does have something to do with signal to noise. The signal to noise of the outside world :) I'm definitely not defending the loudness war, I just think people should do what sounds best for that particular song and not have to do something different to keep up with the jones'es. The problem is simple. When Joe shmo puts on a song and it starts out a mid to loud volume his first impression is that it sounds good. People just don't know how to work the volume knob and eq in there cars for some reason. So everybody compresses the cr-p out of everything so it can all sound the same.... sh-tty but the same. Most listeners impression of the same=good, different=bad we all know they don't think about sound anywhere near as deeply as we do.
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| | #99 |
| Gear Head Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Stanmore, Sydney, Australia
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| Personally i absolutely HATE having to turn DOWN a track because it is way louder than the previous one... Maybe its just me.
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| | #100 |
| Gear Head Join Date: Jul 2008
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| the problem is saying mp3 rolls off the toungue nicely. Thats all you need to get something happening these days in this incredibly fast paced world. Especially youngsters. We cant go around saying 16,44 to make that cool can we. If we want to promote 96.24. we should name it a 'scooby doo' file or something like that. "yep just the other night i downloaded a scooby doo of the bEACH bOYS" |
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| | #101 | |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Philadelphia Metropolitan Area
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Visited Ernest Tubb (as well as several bars around Broadway, Tootsies being a fav). A friend that I was with is a big Cash and Jerry Lee fan and he was a bit overwhelmed by the selection at Tubb's. There's even a selection of DVD's for Hee Haw! You won't find that here in Philly. I was truly impressed. Likely more talent per square inch than any other town I've had the opportunity to visit. | |
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| | #102 | |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Austin, Texas
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Both the record stores I mentioned continue to have live in-store performances, usually with a new release. E.T. Records is truly a wonder, some would say a relic from the past, I would say living and vibrant as ever. I get thru there every few years, always try to stop at E.T.'s, Gruhn Guitars, and tip my hat to the Ryman. I think the old RCA Studio B is gone now(?), lots of real estate rearranged with the "NashVegas" mindset moving in. Now, I know you're a completist, where you gonna put all those Hee Haw DVDs? ![]() Cheers - JT | |
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| | #103 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Philadelphia Metropolitan Area
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| Transfer them all to a video Ipod of course! :) |
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| | #104 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Philadelphia Metropolitan Area
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| I know that this thread has become a mash-up of a couple of different topics, many that are actually quite interesting (at least to me). Possibly because it's been camouflaged by the old "loudness war" debate as the topic, some people are less interested and no flames have started. Maybe this is the way to post in the future and still have this forum be reasonably flame-retardant. I think that my next post the title will be something about baking chocolate chip cookies. Anyway I digress. Anyone see this article? T-Bone Burnett 'Democratizes' High Fidelity Audio? | Listening Post from Wired.com |
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| | #105 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2007
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| I think likable is always better as loud. Some Albums are limited till we hear digital clipping and some ME think this is OK. If a song is likable the consumer will turn up the volume knob by itself...as long as we speak about POP and Techno they can crush it...I do not listen to the stupid same 3 chord cadences. It is time that ME overthnik the usage of brachial limiting. Even if artists ask foe louder files. They ask for this because in the radio they hear to death limited music .... it became a hearing habit.... it is the ME business to senstize the customers for this problem. Till today I have not found a ME who is treating limiting like rear eggs.... I really think most ME have a problem brickwall-limiting became a tool which is in the most cases used to airy. my 2 cents |
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| | #106 | |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Philly/New York
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The problem with the volume knob. Ok - this is a stretch, but... when one is listening to an album as a whole, they may want to set a volume, and then not have to interrupt their listening experience to correct that setting later on. This becomes problematic when dealing with mixes taken from different albums. I actually thought the second Disturbed album didn't sound horribly flat. I thought the drums could have used more body and punch in relation to the mix, especially those double bass drum runs, but all in all I thought it sounded pretty good. | |
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| | #107 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2006
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| I think the loudness wars have reached a sort of breaking point recently. I don't mind a "loud" album, I don't mind a lot of compression. But a few albums that have come out in the past year or 2 have been literally uncomfortable to listen to, even at low volumes. Its this painful barrage of everything at the same volume with no depth whatsoever. I find albums that weren't mastered to be loud I like to turn up and the sound will cushion around the extra volume, and I will "sink in" to the music better. Songs mastered to be loud I turn down and they are so topical in their sound, and I end up rarely listening to these albums, even though I may enjoy the songs themselves. It really pisses me off actually.
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| | #108 | |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Austin, Texas
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2008 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
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I was getting ready to explain to him, that if he wants the level of the clipped version, that one section will have to be compromised in sound - when the "unthinkable" happened. He was absolutely fine with me dropping the album down 1 dB to save the clarity of that one section. I didn't expect that. What a breath of fresh air. So now the album sits at -1,3 dBfs. And everyone is extremely happy with that. | |
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| Gear maniac | Quote:
I still believe people would enjoy a second article about it :) I've been thinking.. Subscribe in the mean time (if you want to be notified of updates).
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| | #112 |
| Gear nut Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Melbourne
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| It would be nice if a big act actually had two versions of one of the songs on the CD, one shizzled, and one at a more realistic better sounding level, and in the booklet there could be a one page explanation of whats going on. A label with "turn me up" or whatever on it may convey a message but it wont educate. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2008 Location: Amsterdam, NL
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| | #116 |
| Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mountain Home, Arkansas USA
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| Has anyone got the story on what's the deal with the Matador CD by a group called Times New Viking? There's quite a number of their tracks which sound like someone either fed the line outputs of a mixer into the mike inputs of a master recorder, or, simply tried to push a digital mastering machine to +9! By far, worse than ANYTHING else around AFAIK. |
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| Gear maniac | Yes, that would be nice
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