how to defeat Gracenote / CDDB?

charlienyc · 29th May 2008

hi. i'm re-releasing a disc that was released years ago on another imprint, and do not want the former label to come up in media players. i understand the CD databases track the information by time and track counts, but i'm running into problems trying to throw them off the path.

what i've done is test 1: shortened the end of each track by 1 frame. failed
test 2: added 1s of digital black at the end of the last track. failed
test 3: added 1s of digital black at the end of each piece (3 pieces on the disc). failed

what can i do to defeat these services, short of effecting musical pauses, etc.?

Karl Jackson · 29th May 2008

You might look into the Gracenote Partner Program. We use this service to submit information about our releases. You get a (PC only) application from Gracenote into which all of the tags go. This may enable you to trump the existing data.

Greg Reierson · 29th May 2008

Charlie,

You have to make a pretty big change. Add a song. Remove a song. Re-order the songs. Change the length of a song by 10 seconds. That sort of thing.

I was once told Gracenote required great accuracy to recognize an album but I have recorded LPs into my system and iTunes recognized them so there is definitely some fuzzy math going on.

GR

twwalsh · 30th May 2008

i would recommend adding 15.66 seconds (or something random) of silence to the last track.

29th May 2008	#1
charlienyc Gear addict Joined: Jul 2005 Location: miami, fl Posts: 392 Thread Starter	how to defeat Gracenote / CDDB? hi. i'm re-releasing a disc that was released years ago on another imprint, and do not want the former label to come up in media players. i understand the CD databases track the information by time and track counts, but i'm running into problems trying to throw them off the path. what i've done is test 1: shortened the end of each track by 1 frame. failed test 2: added 1s of digital black at the end of the last track. failed test 3: added 1s of digital black at the end of each piece (3 pieces on the disc). failed what can i do to defeat these services, short of effecting musical pauses, etc.? __________________ charlie post \| PostProductions Audio \| remote recording and live sound reinforcement \| specializing in acoustic music seeking: high end monitors - Focal, Lipinski, Genelec 8xxx, etc. - at a lower-end end price selling: (nothing for the moment) dislikes: sellers who post in the classifieds, bumping their ad without responding to questions, comments and PMs likes: quiet, great sounding spaces, good instruments and talent; gear and lots of it!

29th May 2008	#2
Karl Jackson Gear Head Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 70	You might look into the Gracenote Partner Program. We use this service to submit information about our releases. You get a (PC only) application from Gracenote into which all of the tags go. This may enable you to trump the existing data. __________________ Karl J Jackson MGySgt, USMC "The President's Own" United States Marine Band

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Greg Reierson Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,209 Verified Member	Charlie, You have to make a pretty big change. Add a song. Remove a song. Re-order the songs. Change the length of a song by 10 seconds. That sort of thing. I was once told Gracenote required great accuracy to recognize an album but I have recorded LPs into my system and iTunes recognized them so there is definitely some fuzzy math going on. GR __________________ Greg Reierson www.RareFormMastering.com

30th May 2008	#4
twwalsh Gear addict Joined: Sep 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 450	i would recommend adding 15.66 seconds (or something random) of silence to the last track. __________________ http://twwalsh.com

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