Miley Cyrus – Song Beat Skipped – Would you have caught it in mastering?

[BouncyJones]

Around 1:42ish of the song "See You Again", give or take a second, it anticipates a beat just slightly (just when the line "But I'm reading the signs" happens). I guess it might have been deliberate to make things more exciting but I doubt it. In mastering, would anyone here have caught that and if so, would you have mentioned it?

I guess the more general question is, what do you send back to the mixer for fixing and when do you just leave it alone and assume they had their chance to tweak it how they wanted it?

Cheers!

[bob katz]

Originally Posted by BouncyJones

Around 1:42ish of the song "See You Again", give or take a second, it anticipates a beat just slightly (just when the line "But I'm reading the signs" happens). I guess it might have been deliberate to make things more exciting but I doubt it. In mastering, would anyone here have caught that and if so, would you have mentioned it?

I guess the more general question is, what do you send back to the mixer for fixing and when do you just leave it alone and assume they had their chance to tweak it how they wanted it?

Cheers!

That's such an open, general question, Bouncy! With an infinite set of answers. Let me answer specifically on the beat question. If it sounds like a mistake to me, I bring it up to the producer and mix engineer. I certainly wouldn't keep my mouth shut under the principle, "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem".

BK

[J_Carlo]

Generally , I expect that what I receive is what the production intended. If I have doubts about something , I contact the client , discuss what can be done on my end and theirs , and arrive at a solution.

[MASSIVE Master]

I think hardly a couple days go by that I'm not on the phone saying "You meant to do that, right?" to someone...

I guess the more general question is...

Someone over the age of 9 actually listens to Miley Cyrus?

[finetuner]

Originally Posted by BouncyJones

.. would you have mentioned it?

For sure.
When in doubt, don't be afraid to ask. Remember that everyone makes mistakes or misses things in a hurry. You're there to help make a better product.

Originally Posted by BouncyJones

... what do you send back to the mixer for fixing...

I'm not sure what you mean... When the mixer is going to fix it, he can work from his own material. There's no use in sending processed (mastered) stuff back with mistakes in it.

Having said that, many errors can be fixed in mastering with a bit of luck and a smart edit. With luck i mean a similar sounding piece elsewhere in the song to duplicate.

Originally Posted by BouncyJones

.. when do you just leave it alone and assume they had their chance to tweak it how they wanted it?

Never without consulting the client.

Best,
Peter van't Riet
FineTune Mastering

[vernier]

Miley Cyrus – Song Beat Skipped – Would you have caught it in mastering?

There isn't a skipped beat. Its an extra syncopated kick thrown in, but the time signature doesn't change.

[Lynn Fuston]

Here's an example of a mastering session where I doubted if something was intentional. Turns out it wasn't.

3dB - View Single Post - What to do with a client that wants to back seat drive the mix into disaster?

[J_Carlo]

I take it as part of the job to provide an objective point of view as well as quality control.

[bluecouchstudio]

Originally Posted by BouncyJones

Around 1:42ish of the song "See You Again", give or take a second, it anticipates a beat just slightly (just when the line "But I'm reading the signs" happens). I guess it might have been deliberate to make things more exciting but I doubt it. In mastering, would anyone here have caught that and if so, would you have mentioned it?

I guess the more general question is, what do you send back to the mixer for fixing and when do you just leave it alone and assume they had their chance to tweak it how they wanted it?

Cheers!

Well, I actually had this happen when engineering my 1st project. The guitarist and songwriter skipped a beat on the scratch track. We did 3-4 takes with the drummer and he kept messing up on that one spot. We finally realized that he skipped a beat and added it back in.

Had another project where the guitarist skipped a whole measure on the scratch track and we didn't catch it until after drums and bass were laid down. I didn't know the song, but should have noticed the measure missing. We were able to fix it using a quick copy and paste from another verse and some editing.

[warhead]

Originally Posted by MASSIVE Master

I think hardly a couple days go by that I'm not on the phone saying "You meant to do that, right?" to someone...

I did a quickie 7" record for a friend, who sent it to John to have it mastered. I emailed John after asking "hey what's with the little swoop / edit sound on one of the crashes?" and then quickly realized upon examination....oops......it was me! Mastering of course brought it closer to the surface so I didn't pick up on it until then.

War

[BouncyJones]

Originally Posted by vernier

There isn't a skipped beat. Its an extra syncopated kick thrown in, but the time signature doesn't change.

You're right that the time signature doesn't change but it still sounds off to me...

Thanks to all the responses so far!

[vernier]

You're right that the time signature doesn't change but it still sounds off to me...

Yep, it sounds like kicks moved around on the screen as opposed to what a drummer would play, like in rap music. I would have left it out.

[Bob Vosgien]

There's no "skipped beat" in this tune. There is a drum anticipation around the section you're speaking about. If there WAS a timing issue with any of these tracks while I was mastering this album they would be fixed before even the first ref was cut. As far as the production of this record, I'd have to say they made ALL the right moves since this song is a top 10 hit and the album is going on 4 million sales...lol!

[Lynn Fuston]

Originally Posted by Bob Vosgien

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p...kvsa9tgy23h~T4

Bob,

That's quite a resume. You started doing digital mastering back in 1923? That can only mean two things.

1) You were seriously ahead of the curve when it comes to digital audio, and

2) You must be REALLY old.

[Bob Vosgien]

Originally Posted by Lynn Fuston

Bob,

That's quite a resume. You started doing digital mastering back in 1923? That can only mean two things.

1) You were seriously ahead of the curve when it comes to digital audio, and

2) You must be REALLY old.

OR,
AMG confuses release date with recording date....

[krytikal1]

Originally Posted by Lynn Fuston

Bob,

That's quite a resume. You started doing digital mastering back in 1923? That can only mean two things.

1) You were seriously ahead of the curve when it comes to digital audio, and

2) You must be REALLY old.

Ya, and what's your secret for longevity and keeping fresh after all these years? haha!


K

[Dude Masters]

Actually I found my carpet and took it back, it was under the drum machine.......sorry about that.

[finetuner]

Originally Posted by Dude Masters

Actually I found my carpet and took it back, it was under the drum machine.......sorry about that.

Quite a large drum machine for a Nihilist that is ...

Peter

[asylumdigital]

I just looked this up to listen on the intraweb---that is not a mistake. Those are programmed drums & they do basically the same thing (and even a bit more extreme) in a few places leading up to that point and afterwards...

[Jerry Tubb]

What's a "Miley Cyrus" ?

(actually a rhetorical question... don't really wanna know)

JT

[Paul Gold]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

(actually a rhetorical question... don't really wanna know)

You know everything you need to. I am ashamed that I know she is the fruit of Billy Ray's loins. A tween sensation. Now you know more than you need to.

[Bob Vosgien]

Originally Posted by Paul Gold

You know everything you need to. I am ashamed that I know she is the fruit of Billy Ray's loins. A tween sensation. Now you know more than you need to.

Tween sensation or not, the Miley Cyrus /Hanna Montana album is FULL of well written and expertly produced pop tunes. And, I'm also quite pleased to have mastered the Miley Cyrus part of this 4x PLATINUM double CD in this difficult time in our industry, thank you very much....

[C Heat]

Originally Posted by Bob Vosgien

Tween sensation or not, the Miley Cyrus /Hanna Montana album is FULL of well written and expertly produced pop tunes.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Bob Vosgien

And, I'm also quite pleased to have mastered the Miley Cyrus part of this 4x PLATINUM double CD in this difficult time in our industry, thank you very much....

A feather in your cap

Thanks for contributing on this forum Bob

[Paul Gold]

Originally Posted by Bob Vosgien

the Miley Cyrus /Hanna Montana album is FULL of well written and expertly produced pop tunes.

No offence intended. I wish I enjoyed working on well written and expertly produced pop tunes. Everytime I've brushed up against it I realize it's not for me.

[BouncyJones]

Originally Posted by Bob Vosgien

There's no "skipped beat" in this tune. There is a drum anticipation around the section you're speaking about. If there WAS a timing issue with any of these tracks while I was mastering this album they would be fixed before even the first ref was cut. As far as the production of this record, I'd have to say they made ALL the right moves since this song is a top 10 hit and the album is going on 4 million sales...lol!

A genuine thank you for taking the time to write in. This site is so awesome in so many ways, and this is another example of that. Respect.