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Old 21st January 2008   #1
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Audiophile Master - question & Idea

Audiophile types swear by analog. They spend like 50k for a cable or 50k for a phono stage preamp. There are probably thousands of systems in the US on which $400k + have been spent.

Meanwhile, their LP's roll off at 7k, and have lots of noise and no dynamic range etc. I was thinking that these guys might be willing to pay a couple of grand for a third or 4th generation master - as analog tape - and they would have vastly better fidelity, and they would have their analog purity. They would hear as never before the value of their huge investment (or lack of it). Obviously it would only be intersting to them if there were analog continuity back to the tracks.

Do you all think record companies would be willling to support this in a limited way. Think of the market it would create for older analog tape machines. I was thinking about testing this idea with a community of audiophiles - but if the record companies would laugh at the idea, there's no point. Is it a stupid idea? Would you pay 5% of your investment to hear what it really can reproduce?
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Audiophile types swear by analog. They spend like 50k for a cable or 50k for a phono stage preamp. There are probably thousands of systems in the US on which $400k + have been spent.

Meanwhile, their LP's roll off at 7k
What exactly are you trying to say? There may be some saturation issues, but LPs are quite good to 15 kHz and beyond.


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I was thinking that these guys might be willing to pay a couple of grand for a third or 4th generation master - as analog tape - and they would have vastly better fidelity, and they would have their analog purity.
someone beat you to it…

the Tape Project
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someone beat you to it…

the Tape Project
Too bad it's not 1/2".

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Whenever I'm in a pedophile Hi-Fi listening room and the system sounds really good, I comment; "That's the best reproduction of a 25 cent TL072 opamp I've ever heard".

Most just don't get it.
That's why I work the front end, not the back end.

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Whenever I'm in a pedophile ... room ... I work the front end, not the back end.
... Sorry, couldn't resist.
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the Tape Project

Interesting project! Good names involved (Romanowski, Stubblebine). The thing is I've rarely heard a second generation analog tape that I really liked. Things really go downhill on second generation analog.

I suppose if they go 30 IPS 1/2" for their copies, which can be very nice and not very lossy, but what a pain to set up and reproduce. What's wrong with a really good, flat transfer to 96, 192, DSD, whatever? I'd feel more comfortable about that than turning on the transport, aligning the azimuth and listening, unless I had the first generation, then I'd be green with envy!

In my days before digital I used to have little parties to play my first generation masters, they're quite a treat. And every time I pull one from storage, if it's in good shape, I marvel at how nice it sounds compared to any of the digital copies I'd made over the years. As converters got better though, if the tape is in any good shape, the digital copy can be VERY nice.

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Whenever I'm in a pedophile Hi-Fi listening room and the system sounds really good, I comment; "That's the best reproduction of a 25 cent TL072 opamp I've ever heard".

Most just don't get it.
That's why I work the front end, not the back end.

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If you look at the website of the tape project, they have a custom-built set of reproduce electronics attached to a Technics 1520. The pleasure is high, but I suggest a shootout, second generation analog versus digital copy of the original analog tape.

I would like to hear a level matched reel (pun intended) shootout between a second generation 15 IPS 1/4" NNR copy optimally reproduced versus a 9624 copy of the original tape. Versus the original, I guess!

Paul Stubblebine, are you on this forum?

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A real good friend of mine is a "Charter memeber" of this tape project. He had an ATR 102 built for this.
He was so excited about receiving his tapes each month and invited a few of us over for the "grand unreeling" so to speak.

He spun up the first reel and we sat there and enjoyed it. Then he pulled out a 45 vinyl of the same pressing and just shook our heads.

I don't think he's even turned on the tape machine since!!

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