Jünger D01, D02 any good?

[zilver]

They are high quality units.
People use them for transparent compression.
They do the "upward compression trick" ; The low level material is brought up instead of the peaks being reduced.

They are very user friendly, pick one of the four presets, choose one of the four ratios, increase output gain until you think it's loud enough and you're done.

I don't think you can get as loud as with the Waves Limiter plugins though.

Cheers, Hans


BTW I have a D05 unit (the broadcast processor-a D02 without the expander) and as you can see I'm a fan. I'm not a mastering engineer, I use it for general compression.

[arf]

Junger makes great sounding dynamics processors, but very hard to find in the US.

[AQUA]

Hi and sorry to be a bit late on that, but the Jünger d02 (now discontinued, I bought one used) sounds extremely transparent to my ears and the learning curve is about zero. This piece of gear is that easy to handle one could consider it non-pro _because_ of its handling simplicity. The guy I bought it from said having used the d02, you will not want to touch the Finalizer any more. I don't have hands on experience as far as the Finalizer or L2 (hardware) is concerned.

EDIT: Also, the guys at Jünger were so nice as to send me a copy of the manual which didn't come with the unit I bought second hand.

[MAzevedo]

I used a d01 in my old room, and loved it to death. The limiter is OK if used in moderation, but the compressor is amazing. Set to 1-2dB of gain with a 1.1 or 1.3 ratio, it fills out a mix in a fantastic way, it does a really great "biggering" that is hard to beat. The d01 and d02 are fairly unique in that they are actual upward compressors, with the ability to set a maximum to the amount of gain added to quieter material. The minimal attack and release controls (4 program dependent algorithms in the d01, I think the d02 is the same) can be a bit limiting, but for 90% of what I threw at it it 'just worked'.

Really great compressors, if you can pick one up for a decent price I think you'll be very pleased.

edit - I just noticed this thread was a year and a half old. Still - really nice compressors for anyone else who's reading.

[AQUA]

There's one d02 on Ebay Germany ATM. It had a BIN of 1.5k€ but someone made the initial bid so it starts from 1 Euro. I watched the price for used d02 on Ebay for the last months and the units _can_ go for as low as 600 Euros. Mine was 1.2k€ BIN though... This specific d02 still has warranty so it's not a legacy product as I thought.

Jünger d02 - HiEnd Mastering Prozessor - neuwertig !!! bei eBay.de: Studioprozessoren (endet 28.12.08 20:00:00 MEZ)

Not sure whether the seller might ship within/outside Europe though. But as Jünger gear doesn't come up too often, I thought I'd tell you.

EDIT: As cemski said - Owning the Höf Dynamic Master, I can confirm this device sounds pretty clean, with no obvious colour. It was expensive when it came out but goes for very low prices second hand. Used, about 400 Euros will be rather much, it often goes for less than 300 Euros.

[cemski]

Beside the Juenger Limiter i want to spot out 2 other hardware limiters with extraordinary performance: "hoef dynamic master" also uses limiting and expansion in combination. And EMT 266X A happy new year to all of you

[Lagerfeldt]

Originally Posted by TheSweetener

What about these limiters? They're mostly used for broadcast. Has anybody used them for mastering?
Hows the compressor, hows the limiter? Is it rather transparent? How much distortion is there? Is it a (drum)transient killer like the L2?!

I had a Jünger d06 on trial for mastering
http://www.junger-audio.com/_hp/main...ic_(tm)&id=d06



I would certainly consider one in a broadcast or vocal chain (voice over) but I didn't find the d06 could offer anything I couldn't do as well or better with other digital/ITB processing for mastering.

The sound quality is good. The AGC and especially the transient processing is very smart, but mostly applicable in a broadcast chain or for vocals IMO. It's not subtle enough for most mastering jobs and it's clearly designed for broadcast. Too much emphasis on presets, i.e. not enough flexibility for mastering.

If you want a very flexible and high quality sounding digital dynamics processor, check out the Flux Solera or Flux Alchemist plug-ins. Not a limiter though, so you still need a brickwall afterwards or similar.

I haven't tried the d02.

[Plush]

Also consider the Junger Accent 1 or Accent 2. One is a digital only version and one is an analog and digital version.

This box is standard issue in studios needing to control dynamic range.

Junger compression is among the best available.

[huub]

I do really hate the junger limiters we have though.. (older b41, this type Produkter: Jünger Four channel digital audio limiter)
And I'm not the only one... Every engineer I know does not like them..
Ugly limiting.. no one uses them..

[MAzevedo]

Originally Posted by huub

I do really hate the junger limiters we have though.. (older b41, this type Produkter: Jünger Four channel digital audio limiter)
And I'm not the only one... Every engineer I know does not like them..
Ugly limiting.. no one uses them..

I found the limiting on the d01 too smooshy to ever really want to use it, 99% if the time I had the limiter off and would just do 1-2dB of upward compression with it.

[mcsnare]

I have a d01 in my rack that I use all the time. Never any limiting, but the compression is the bees knees. Can occasionally do amazing things to a vocal.
Dave

[dimensionalidad]

Just five months ago I decided to purchase an Accent2 processor made by Jünger audio and distributed in the US by GMA (www.gmalimited.com), the owner of the company whose name is Arnie Toshner is a superb person to deal with and I highly recommend him. I came into contact with Jünger when I borrowed a d02 from my good friend Mitch Zelezny, as I needed to mix a song that was included in the Soundtrack album for the TV series "Hellcats". The song was a modern pop tune that required me to push my levels, and I was looking for a box that would help me retain the clarity and depth of my mix. I had tried the T.C. Finalizer as well as the L2, and I was not at all pleased with the results. However the Accent2 was exactly what I needed. Just as other users have mentioned before, Jünger is known for their upward compression, which brings all of the low level material up in level, similar in concept to what an Analog two track would do. This does not mean that the Jünger will give you the same compression coloration as a well calibrated Analog two track machine would, but what it does give you is a level of resolution at a 1:2 or 1:3 ratio that is hard to beat. I have found that my mixes have a better sonic glue by going thru this box than going without it. The Accent2 is extensively used at several rooms at Abbey Road mastering. The price is not cheap, but there is no other digital box out there that I know of that does what this one does. The Accent2 allows you to do 88.2 Khz & 96 Khz, while the d02 is limited to 44.1 Khz & 48.0 Khz on it's sampling rates. I've had the chance to preview both the d02 & the Accent2, and the algorithms are the same, with the added advantage of the additional sampling rates on the Accent2 as well as a better input & output metering. The limiter on both units does not sound good to my ears, it makes the music sound a little duller, so I avoid using it, but there have been times in which there is so much transient peak material where I've had no choice but to engage it. I hope that this helps anyone that is considering buying this unit.

[IIIrd]

We have both D02 and Accent 2. I wouldn't be without them.

[William Bowden]

Do they still make the Accent 2, I can't find it anywhere on their website.

The King

[IIIrd]

Originally Posted by William Bowden

Do they still make the Accent 2, I can't find it anywhere on their website.

The King

Not sure to be honest. Like you I can't see it on their site.

[king2070lplaya]

As they do not seem to make the Accent line anymore, what other units of theirs perform the same function in the same way? Perhaps they've come out with a new model to replace the old Accent line? Anyone with info, please elaborate on this

[kamika]

HI, i have in my mastering rack a Junger audio Accent-2 and two units of Junger Audio E-07 digital dynamic eq and i love it all two!!!!
Theese units are build, specified for mastering apllications, and not broadcast application!!! like all others Junger products......
Now all theese two units are discontinued because the price was really high......really expensive, almost 7000 euros each.
The only thing i can say about the two units is that sound amazing and also if the most people don't know them, I recommend them to anyone, the Accent-2 too the E07 Dynamic EQ.
I use theese on my works everyday, too with the Weiss EQ-1 LP and Weiss DS-1 MKIII comp, and i'm really satisfied.
This is a good opportunity to have a great limiter/compressor and dynamic eqs for less than half price of the others.
All the best kamika!

[priko]

What is the difference between D01 and D02?
Thank you

[lucabasano]

Originally Posted by priko

What is the difference between D01 and D02?
Thank you

Digital in/out only the first,digital in/out plus analogue XRL in/out the second,quite sure or viceversa,anyway the same machine with different input/output interface.
The same goes for Accent 1/2 but they go up to 24/96khz.
Hope someone can confirm,it's quite a lot I've not seen one of these around.

Luca

[Adam Dempsey]

Originally Posted by king2070lplaya

As they do not seem to make the Accent line anymore, what other units of theirs perform the same function in the same way? Perhaps they've come out with a new model to replace the old Accent line? Anyone with info, please elaborate on this

This is pure suspicion but from what's been said so far (maybe someone can confirm) it seems as if its "bootstrap"/upwards compression works akin to the Sony DAL1000 – which are also impossible to come by, but was later featured within the DPS V-77 multi-fx unit. Sounded good if not depended on as a limiter (which it wasn't).

[nkf]

Originally Posted by Adam Dempsey

This is pure suspicion but from what's been said so far (maybe someone can confirm) it seems as if its "bootstrap"/upwards compression works akin to the Sony DAL1000 – which are also impossible to come by, but was later featured within the DPS V-77 multi-fx unit. Sounded good if not depended on as a limiter (which it wasn't).

It is a kind of upward compression but the key is the 'Multi-Loop' design they use. IMO the Juenger processing is unique. I own the d01 since around it came out (picked it up from Juenger directly) and now have the Accent 1 and d05 too.

[rockordie]

i bought the d02 primarily as ad converter. i was looking for a good ad for my mixdowns for a while, not really wanting to spend 1K+ which seems inavoidable if you want "good" ad conversion. i made a steal on the junger (450,- euros) and i love it! compared side by side with my fireface 800 ad it just sounds morge gentle, more punchy and more "grippy". my rme sounds cold, thin, harsh, wet, missing body compared to the d02.
go for it guys, it´s a high quality unit.
and then i turned on the compressor: wtf! i can only agree with some other guys here: that´s a glue machine! and it gives everything a nice amount of "size" to it. really makes single tracks or mixes sound bigger.
you need to be careful when using it in multitrack sessions as it adds 2ms of latency, but that´s easy to compensate in modern daws and you don´t have to take care of it when doing one or two tracks max. 2ms is really not a problem regarding monitoring. i used to have a sintefex compressor which was not usable for me because of its high latency. the d02 is really great in all aspects!!!

can some share his oppinion:
currently i´m clocking the d02 from my apogee da16x. the da16x is the master clock followed by fireface 800 and then the d02. some guys say it´s better to use the ad as master clock. i don´t know it the junger clock is on par with the big ben. any experiences?

[rockordie]

sorry, i´ve to correct myself in one aspect:

i don´t like the limter for mastering purposes. you can use it for tracking to avoid peaks. it´s really great for that, but it´s not good for squashing and loudness war games. some plugs do much better.

[Soundmaster Alex]

we have an Accent 2 here, and it's great. It replaced the D02 which we had and it found a new home with an engineer friend, who loves it for recording vocals due to the compressor whose virtues have been well documented above.

[OMF]

love my accent2

[24-96 Mastering]

I'm having a play with a Jünger D02 and am finding the compression pretty interesting, but it the algorithm seems very level dependant with no way to adjust the threshold/detection/sidechain level.

If I have it near the end of the chain, where it makes most sense in my mind, it's very hard to get much control over the compression. How do you D01/D02 users here do it? And does the Accent have any control over threshold/detection/sidechain level? Or does the Accent too only have controls for ratio & max-GR?

[mcsnare]

Originally Posted by 24-96 Mastering

I'm having a play with a Jünger D02 and am finding the compression pretty interesting, but it the algorithm seems very level dependant with no way to adjust the threshold/detection/sidechain level.

If I have it near the end of the chain, where it makes most sense in my mind, it's very hard to get much control over the compression. How do you D01/D02 users here do it? And does the Accent have any control over threshold/detection/sidechain level? Or does the Accent too only have controls for ratio & max-GR?

That's kind of the point with the Junger. Not much to adjust, it either works well or it doesn't! I used to love using it but never more than the smallest amount, a little goes a long way with that box.

Dave

[24-96 Mastering]

Originally Posted by mcsnare

That's kind of the point with the Junger. Not much to adjust, it either works well or it doesn't! I used to love using it but never more than the smallest amount, a little goes a long way with that box.

Dave

I think I just solved my problem. The internal reference level (push&hold display button) was set to -9fs instead of 0fs, and contrary to the manual, changing internal reference level changes not only limiter ceiling, but also shifts the compression threshold.

So now with the ref level set to 0fs, I can actually get some compression going at reasonably levels. Now we're getting somewhere...

Dave, while I have you reading this thread, what are your thoughts regarding the compression modes? Did you have it on 1 or 2 when you used it, or have you found applications for 3 or 4 too?

[mcsnare]

Originally Posted by 24-96 Mastering

I think I just solved my problem. The internal reference level (push&hold display button) was set to -9fs instead of 0fs, and contrary to the manual, changing internal reference level changes not only limiter ceiling, but also shifts the compression threshold.

So now with the ref level set to 0fs, I can actually get some compression going at reasonably levels. Now we're getting somewhere...

Dave, while I have you reading this thread, what are your thoughts regarding the compression modes? Did you have it on 1 or 2 when you used it, or have you found applications for 3 or 4 too?

It's been a while since I used one. I seem to remember using the mode that is suggested for 'pop' music, but I also used one of the other modes on occasion. The studio owned it so I don't have one to use these days, but I still miss that thing!

Dave