mastering in wavelab , HELP!!!!

[Gabriel Sousa]

hello ppl,

my prob is...

my mix file is in 48hz and 24bits

i master... i render, when i save as 44.1hz and 16bits,
i'm gonna listening in other prog the file, and i have less high freq. , alot less.

what i need to kill ? to resolve this problem ?

[HEADROOM]

The loss in high freq should not be THAT dramatic.....sure you did everything right?

[Gabriel Sousa]

Originally Posted by HEADROOM

The loss in high freq should not be THAT dramatic.....sure you did everything right?

when i convert 48hz 24bits to 44.1hz 16bits i lose high freq ?????

has wave lab a good dithering ?

[HEADROOM]

Of course it depends on the source, the dynamics etc
But with the usual compressed pop-rock-soul-stuff the difference between 24/48 and 16/44.1 is less significant then to mp3 IMO

So there seems to be something going wrong......

[d_fu]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Sousa

when i convert 48hz 24bits to 44.1hz 16bits i lose high freq?????

No, not normally..

has wave lab a good dithering ?

Dithering does not cause loss of high frequencies..

Post or upload a short sample before/after (preferrably wav format)...

[Gabriel Sousa]

Originally Posted by d_fu

No, not normally..


Dithering does not cause loss of high frequencies..

Post or upload a short sample before/after (preferrably wav format)...

ok, thanks a lot, in 3 hours i will post

[Gabriel Sousa]

mix file 48hz 24 bits -----> www.formatic.pt/gabriel/4824-mix.wav
master file 48hz 24 bits -----> www.formatic.pt/gabriel/4824.wav
master file 44.1hz 16 bits ---> www.formatic.pt/gabriel/44116.wav

[d_fu]

Hm, I neither hear nor see a significant difference, if at all...

[Gabriel Sousa]

perhaps is in my mind,

or the winamp plays the audio different than wavelab.

what you think about my master ?


thanks a lot

[ed littman]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Sousa

hello ppl,

my prob is...

my mix file is in 48hz and 24bits

i master... i render, when i save as 44.1hz and 16bits,
i'm gonna listening in other prog the file, and i have less high freq. , alot less.

what i need to kill ? to resolve this problem ?

they sound the same to me. it's possible your hearing jitter. what DAC are you using?
Ed

[Gabriel Sousa]

DAC = digital audio converter ?


i'm using wavelab.

can some one tell me a nice program do play audio files, i think the prob é winamp dontplay the same that wavelab

[ed littman]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Sousa

DAC = digital audio converter ?


i'm using wavelab.

can some one tell me a nice program do play audio files, i think the prob é winamp dontplay the same that wavelab

I'm using Wavelab too.
the application that one uses has nothing to do with what digital analog converter is used. How are you monitoring? how do you feed your your power amp? If it's the sound card from your motherboard I would suspect that it is not jitter immune.
how do the 2 files sound playing from wavelab?
Ed

[zeromean]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Sousa

or the winamp plays the audio different than wavelab.

You're shure the EQ in Winamp isn't on?

[Gabriel Sousa]

Originally Posted by ed littman

I'm using Wavelab too.
the application that one uses has nothing to do with what digital analog converter is used. How are you monitoring? how do you feed your your power amp? If it's the sound card from your motherboard I would suspect that it is not jitter immune.
how do the 2 files sound playing from wavelab?
Ed

my monitors are genelec, my card are RME DIGI 9636 connected to a RME ADI-8 PRO.

I was doing this.
win wave lab i played the 48-24 master.
than i'm goind to winamp and play 44.1-16 master.

on my winamp i dont have EQ

[brandy]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Sousa

my monitors are genelec, my card are RME DIGI 9636 connected to a RME ADI-8 PRO.

I was doing this.
win wave lab i played the 48-24 master.
than i'm goind to winamp and play 44.1-16 master.

on my winamp i dont have EQ

How does it sound on the Mediaplayer?

You should do some kind of a loop-back recording, i mean - just connect a digital out with digital in of your Soundinterface - re-record the stuff playbacked by winamp...

Then import both files (16/44.1) into a audiomontage, phase align - then phaseinvert one wave. You should hear ... NOTHING.

If the winamp playback realy lacks in the high frequencys you will have those frequencys left now.


brandy

P.S Make shure both aplications (WL and Winamp) are using the same audiodrivers, routing, clock source etc

[Thomas W. Bethe]

You posted the exact same question at RECORDING - mastering in wavelab , HELP!!!! - Mastering Sound and you are getting almost the same answers over there. I don't know if this is a language problem of if you are a troll but you need to tell us much more about your procedures and the equipment you are using.

Dither cannot take out the high frequencies. You cannot simply save a file with different attributes in WL you have to sample rate convert and then dither it using the render function of WL. Why don't you use WL to listen to both versions? It would make the most sense and then you can compare them using a "standard" instead of listening to one on WL and the other on Win Amp.

Everyone is trying to help but you are less than forthcoming with real information.

Thanks!

[Andy Krehm]

I don't know WaveLab but it seems like the main difference you are hearing between 24b/48k and 16b/44.1k would be the sample rate conversion and program specific conversion quality rather than dither.

Also, if you can't flip a switch (or two) and listen in at least an A/B set-up using exactly the same set of playback equipment, you are only going by memory which is not always the most reliable way to do a comparison!

[Gabriel Sousa]

Originally Posted by Thomas W. Bethe

You posted the exact same question at RECORDING - mastering in wavelab , HELP!!!! - Mastering Sound and you are getting almost the same answers over there. I don't know if this is a language problem of if you are a troll but you need to tell us much more about your procedures and the equipment you are using.

Dither cannot take out the high frequencies. You cannot simply save a file with different attributes in WL you have to sample rate convert and then dither it using the render function of WL. Why don't you use WL to listen to both versions? It would make the most sense and then you can compare them using a "standard" instead of listening to one on WL and the other on Win Amp.

Everyone is trying to help but you are less than forthcoming with real information.

Thanks!

thanks a lot, you have help me a lot

[FatStudio]

I use Wave lab for mastering and it actually has a good conversion plug-in called Crystal re-sampler ,if you put it in the master section you can listen to your sound in real time and have no surprises .