Embed ISRC in wave file?

Slogun · 20th June 2007

Is it possible to embed the ISRC code directly in the wave file? If so, how?

Regards, Andreas

inlinenl · 20th June 2007

Hi Andreas ....

No, it's not possible to my knowledge ....

jdg · 20th June 2007

if you're using BWF, you could embed it into the description section

finetuner · 20th June 2007

I was looking for something like that too on clients' request. All i can think of, is to make a 1 track-image file. That can be aiff (maybe also wave?) encoded and include an isrc.

Peter

thenewyear · 20th June 2007

yeah,

as another poster suggested you could put it in the list section of a broadcast wave but there is no standardised way of doing this.

I can't help but think that there really should be if ISRCs are to be at all relevant in the download age...

Slogun · 20th June 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by finetuner

I was looking for something like that too on clients' request. All i can think of, is to make a 1 track-image file. That can be aiff (maybe also wave?) encoded and include an isrc.

Peter

Unfortunatelly I can see many of my clients would just scratch their heads in confussion if I was to send them anything else than a single wave file

finetuner · 20th June 2007

I know what you mean. It should be fool proof - without explanation.
Guess we'll have to waite for Apple to invent something for the use in i-Tunes.

Peter.

Slogun · 21st June 2007

Oh well, back to burning CDs again I suppose

Really hope someone can come up with a idea on how to incorporate the two, fool-proof!

fenderbender. · 22nd June 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by finetuner

I know what you mean. It should be fool proof - without explanation.
Guess we'll have to waite for Apple to invent something for the use in i-Tunes.

Peter.

Isn't there a public ISRC tag viewable in every downloaded file? ISRC's are required for uploading content (via Apple iTunes Producer) to the iTunes Music Store.

finetuner · 22nd June 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenderbender.

Isn't there a public ISRC tag viewable in every downloaded file?

i-Tunes uses tags / meta data so that's why i thought they should be able to include ISRC's easily.
But AFAIK they don't... For uploading you may be asked to provide ISRC's - for obvious reasons - but apparently there's no use including them in the tag. Guess 'till now it's a one way thing.
Peter

nine99nine · 24th June 2007

Recently for a mastering class, I had to research this same exact problem. How do you put your isrc and even a upc onto a .wav or other digital file and have it embedded and not be changed by end users to evade drm or copyright protection.

I posted the findings on my blog which is HERE. Some of the data might be wrong as I did all the research the night before it was due. Please pm me or tell me in the forum if anything said is false or wrong...I will try my best to correct the blog post to mirror those said changes.

In short the only real way to embed data and have it protected from the end user is to use a "watermarking" program (usually expensive but works well). If you have worked with photos at all, you may be aware of photo watermakring and it does much the same thing. But you "supposedly" (the verdict isnt out yet due to no mass production) cannot hear the embedded signal in the audio file.

20th June 2007	#1
Slogun Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 539 Thread Starter	Embed ISRC in wave file? Is it possible to embed the ISRC code directly in the wave file? If so, how? Regards, Andreas __________________ Recording, mixing and mastering at http://www.servantstudio.com

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thenewyear Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 676 1 Review written	yeah, as another poster suggested you could put it in the list section of a broadcast wave but there is no standardised way of doing this. I can't help but think that there really should be if ISRCs are to be at all relevant in the download age... __________________ neil.

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inlinenl Lives for gear Joined: May 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,821 Verified Member	Hi Andreas .... No, it's not possible to my knowledge ....

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jdg Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2005 Location: seattle, WA Posts: 2,540 Verified Member	if you're using BWF, you could embed it into the description section

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finetuner Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 872	I was looking for something like that too on clients' request. All i can think of, is to make a 1 track-image file. That can be aiff (maybe also wave?) encoded and include an isrc. Peter

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Slogun Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 539 Thread Starter	Oh well, back to burning CDs again I suppose Really hope someone can come up with a idea on how to incorporate the two, fool-proof!

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nine99nine Gear maniac Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 252	Recently for a mastering class, I had to research this same exact problem. How do you put your isrc and even a upc onto a .wav or other digital file and have it embedded and not be changed by end users to evade drm or copyright protection. I posted the findings on my blog which is HERE. Some of the data might be wrong as I did all the research the night before it was due. Please pm me or tell me in the forum if anything said is false or wrong...I will try my best to correct the blog post to mirror those said changes. In short the only real way to embed data and have it protected from the end user is to use a "watermarking" program (usually expensive but works well). If you have worked with photos at all, you may be aware of photo watermakring and it does much the same thing. But you "supposedly" (the verdict isnt out yet due to no mass production) cannot hear the embedded signal in the audio file.