PEAK LE 5 for coding

[cemski]

Hello!
first time i had to wirte in cd text, titles and isrc into a master cd.
peak le 5 offers this, but doesnt actually do it. i am using mac osx and internal burner that offers all writing options necessary. does anybody have an idea, what goes wrong? greetings from berlin,
cem

[finetuner]

I have no experience with Peak, but i've seen drives that read but don't write isrc's for instance. Maybe it's worth to do a check on that with your drive's specs. Or test with another program to see if it's software related. If you have Roxio Toast 6, you can test text modes. Or isrc's with Jam.
Good luck!

Peter.

[cemski]

Hello Peter!
Thanks a lot! =)
if you got another minute: can youm explain how to check text in toast?
i don't really get the point about it.

greetings!
cem

[finetuner]

Hi again Cem!

My information was a bit incomplete.
Open Toast and insert the cd. (don't drag it into the empty field.)
Go to the top menu and under "Recorder", choose "Disc Info"
Wait a while and if there are codes, it will read. I just found out that it reads both isrc and cd text.

Another option is to use Apple's on-board utility program called Terminal.
(Applications - Utilities - Terminal) and type : drutil cdtext or drutil subchannel (for isrc's).
I found this through Gearslutz thanks to Jerry Tubb.
Viva Gearslutz!! (and Mac)

It worked even on my old G3 I-Book at home with a Sony burner on board.
For testing, it's handy to have a cd of which you're sure there are codes on it.

regards,
Peter


Here is Jerry's original post:

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

On a Mac with OSX, mount the CD & open the application called "Terminal".

Type the phrase: "drutil subchannel" (without quotes) and hit return.

Terminal will display the ISRC codes.

Also you can type in the phrase "drutil cdtext" and read the CD-Text.

Here's a link to the various things you can read with drutil commands:

http://developer.apple.com/documenta.../drutil.1.html

JT

[cemski]

just found it in the same time!

thanx for the toast info and
happy easter!

cem

[cemski]

Hello Peter!
I got another question about this topic, if you don't mind =)
So i found out all is fine. cd-text and isrc can be written and read BUT(!!!) why does no program display the title names??? everywhere i read "1 Audio-Titel.aiff" instead of the coded names. other cds (bought cds) show the titles! do you have an idea where the rabbit lies in the pepper? (german speaking for where the problem lies)

many greetings,
cem

Originally Posted by finetuner

Hi again Cem!

My information was a bit incomplete.
Open Toast and insert the cd. (don't drag it into the empty field.)
Go to the top menu and under "Recorder", choose "Disc Info"
Wait a while and if there are codes, it will read. I just found out that it reads both isrc and cd text.

Another option is to use Apple's on-board utility program called Terminal.
(Applications - Utilities - Terminal) and type : drutil cdtext or drutil subchannel (for isrc's).
I found this through Gearslutz thanks to Jerry Tubb.
Viva Gearslutz!! (and Mac)

It worked even on my old G3 I-Book at home with a Sony burner on board.
For testing, it's handy to have a cd of which you're sure there are codes on it.

regards,
Peter


Here is Jerry's original post:

[finetuner]

Hi Cem,

Actually i've been wondering the same!
Can you tell me on what program you are seeing those titles of pressed cd's?

I've never seen it work at all - other than indirect methods as decribed in previous post (i mean via a disc burner program option - show disc info)

The only times that clients asked me to do cd-text, i was so unsure about this, that i wouldn't guarantee and told them to ask the pressing plant to take care of it. I guess i never took the trouble to find out how they (the plant) do it, cause i assumed they have different equipment anyway.

Oh, hang on!!
You must be sure to disconnect from the internet if you are.
I have seen programs show titles but that was via CDDB. Programs like i-Tunes and Windows Media Player collect titles automatically via internet from a database called cddb. I now remember testing this text-thing a while ago and was very puzzled when i inserted an old safety copy (cdr without any text info) and the names of all songs appeared! So cddb even recognized a safety as the pressed one. I believe this database looks at track length and order.

So, be sure you're computer is offline (a good practice anyway if it's your production workstation). And still, it might be that you're computer keeps some data in cache-memory somewhere. Then your computer will still recognize a disc when you're offline IF you insert a cd that's been in there before. (I've had a similar experience with a program that cashed isrc codes and showed them when i inserted a copy without codes!)

So if this is the case, we should ask everybody if there is a program at all that does show titles in a normal fashion and NOT derived from internet.
It's been my believe that when you EXCLUDE CDDB, the only way a user will ever see song titles is on a car stereo display.
But i immediately have to add that i gave up researching for a while because of this believe and told anybody asking for cd-text, to verify with the pressing plant.

Anyone who can shine a light in this? Jerry??

regards,
Peter.

[cemski]

LOL
I think you gave me the answer, unless nobody disagrees: CDDB.
I had the same situation recently when i told the client that i hope the code "should" be on now, but feeling kind of stupid...
so, another question of an uninformed ignorant mastering engineer is: do the pressing plants change the master cd anyway to another format? i thought, that my red book audio cd is the blue print for production?!

[Jerry Tubb]

Hey Guys,

Unfortunately CD-Text is still not read by most CD players.

We've got three players that will read it; a Denon 615, a Sony portable, & a car player.

My reason for encoding it anyway, is that possibly at some point in the future, it will be a standard feature on most players.

Oh yeah, it's a good idea to mark masters that contain CD-Text and ISRC, so the plant won't overlook it.

Cheers - JT

[finetuner]

Originally Posted by cemski

do the pressing plants change the master cd anyway to another format? i thought, that my red book audio cd is the blue print for production?!

They (should) copy the audio 1:1 but the codes (isrc, text, pq), written in the so-called subcode channel are handled separately anyway so on request by the customer (the one who pays the plant) some codes may be added later on for some exrta charge of cause. And i guess it's not allowed to change the pq.

Thanks for your insight too Jerry.
Peter