Algorithmix Plugins!!??

[DSD_Mastering]

I use these with my Pyramix rig. There's not many times that I need them, but when I do, they're a perfect fit. Yes, they ARE worth it when you need them. They've saved my arse a few time!
BTW, I have the Cedar bundle on my PT rig. They're just as expensive, but just as good. YMMV...

Regards,
Bruce

[Rob Murray]

It's a lot cheaper than Weiss on the EQ side and all 3 sound great. I also use them in Pyramix, and have limited experience with ReNovator as well which is really powerful if you take the time to really learn it. The big downside is of course the major latency, which pyramix unfortunately doesnt really deal with all to well.

[aivoryuk]

if your computer is up to scratch then you shouldn't have problems with them (they can be cpu hogs) i think they are worth it and yes cheaper than a weiss

[yareck]

The Red can be smooth and lovely sounding and the Orange gives more precission. They are very good for fixing something in a mix without changing the overal sound, but they are rather not so good for creativity and opening up the mix the way hardware does. I can't tell anything wrong about them but since I've bought hardware EQ I don't use them so much.

I think the price is ok for the quality, but they are very cpu hungry so they are not so useful for tracking, only mastering.

[The Listener]

I know orange and red eq. They are among the very few very best digital EQs out there. Red provides one of the sexiest bass boosts available.
They are worth the price!

[present]

Hi all!

First post on the Slutz, I hang around at Brad Blackwood's forum mostly.

Anyway, I used the Orange extensively a few weeks ago, archiving a friend's old demos and outtakes.
It's great for subtractive eq'ing, quite polite and not messing with a mix's balance too much. You can really home in on some areas and fix them.

For creative use, I'm not so sure. I liked its low freq boosting more than its mids and hi's.

But, for corrective eq...very good indeed.
Then again, yes they are really expensive

regards
rogier

[mcsnare]

I use the Algo Blue. It's unbelievably good and totally worth the price. It's not only arguably the best sounding digital eq, it's easily as good as most high end analog eq's.
Dave

[FiR]

Red, Blue, Orange are great sounding Eq, the only things missing for me is MS processing.

Also, i'm quite happy with Refined-Audiometrics PLParEQ, with the choice of Linear Phase or Traditional Filtering and MS processing in one plugin.

i can't compare the overall quality since i haven't sufficient background with Algorithmix.

[phild]

Originally Posted by mcsnare

I use the Algo Blue. It's unbelievably good and totally worth the price. It's not only arguably the best sounding digital eq, it's easily as good as most high end analog eq's.
Dave

I totally agree. The only real mental stumbling block for me is that it's a plugin. IIRC, The Red has some magical shelves going on that the others don't have? I'll have to try it out again one of these days. Wish they'd put it into a box with big knobs and remove the stumbling block!

[phild]

Originally Posted by FiR

Red, Blue, Orange are great sounding Eq, the only things missing for me is MS processing.

I personally don't miss the m/s with these guys. What I miss is an Algorithmix compressor!

[aivoryuk]

Originally Posted by FiR

Red, Blue, Orange are great sounding Eq, the only things missing for me is MS processing.

i can do m/s processing with the algo's just means setting up 2 tracks in samplitude and applying the panning laws to it.

learnt that one from brad blackwood

[FiR]

i can do m/s processing with the algo's just means setting up 2 tracks in samplitude and applying the panning laws to it.

Sure, it's not really complicated to do this inside a DAW.

side price, for me, it is not negligible to have the possibility of doing it.

[TinderArts]

It's great stuff, worth every penny (you'll need quite a few).

[Kayo]

I own both types; the Algo's and the Plpar.

And frankly, lately, it's been Plpar all the way... dunno why? Maybe, it's the flexibility within its options. A series Swiss army knife type plugin. Don't leave home without it!!! Try not to forget the Algo's either.tutt

FD

[bonne]

Originally Posted by aivoryuk

i can do m/s processing with the algo's just means setting up 2 tracks in samplitude and applying the panning laws to it.

learnt that one from brad blackwood

Interesting!

Would you care to give a brief run down on how you do it. Will it work in any DAW?

Cheers

Jørn

[aivoryuk]

Originally Posted by bonne

Interesting!

Would you care to give a brief run down on how you do it. Will it work in any DAW?

Cheers

Jørn

sure, in samplitude set up 2 tracks then in the pan options you select 1 track with get mid from stereo source, and the other track pan option is get side from stereo source..

Then in the mixer settings you can choose which plugin for which tracks. It will automatically compensate for the plugin delay on each channel and in sync.

haven't tried it with any other DAW i'm afraid

[FiR]

Here, The formulas for accomplish " MS Processing " to your Stereo tracks.

MS Encode : M= L+R , S= L-R
MS Decode : L= M+S , R= M-S

Be attentive with sum level which are 6dB higher and use the routing possibilities of your DAW to obtain the result.

[bonne]

Originally Posted by aivoryuk

sure, in samplitude set up 2 tracks then in the pan options you select 1 track with get mid from stereo source, and the other track pan option is get side from stereo source..

Oh I see. Wish I had that option.

[carlsaff]

Originally Posted by bonne

Oh I see. Wish I had that option.

Voxengo makes a great plug to assist with this:

Voxengo MSED

Freeware. In addition to being handy for setting up MS matrixes, I often use it on one track (in inline mode) to quickly bump up/down the sides relative to the mid.

[bonne]

Originally Posted by carlsaff

Voxengo makes a great plug to assist with this:

Voxengo MSED

Freeware. In addition to being handy for setting up MS matrixes, I often use it on one track (in inline mode) to quickly bump up/down the sides relative to the mid.

Yeah, I too have been using this in a MS matrix setup. But that "get mid from stereo" and " get side from stereo" option sounds even better. Only in Samplitude I guess.

[carlsaff]

Originally Posted by bonne

Yeah, I too have been using this in a MS matrix setup. But that "get mid from stereo" and " get side from stereo" option sounds even better. Only in Samplitude I guess.

?

I think that two tracks in your DAW with one track using MSED set to only mid and the other set to only sides would be the exact same thing...?

[bonne]

Originally Posted by carlsaff

?

I think that two tracks in your DAW with one track using MSED set to only mid and the other set to only sides would be the exact same thing...?

I'll see how that works, Carl. My present MS setup is a bit more elaborate, but possibly unnecessarily complicated.

Thanks for the tip.

[masterlab]

I use the VST versions of Red/Orange/Blue and there are "Dual Mono" versions available.
So you can use these to eq L & R independently or use the "MS encode" and "MS decode" VSTs from Algorithmix before and after.

BTW Algo has announced the DynaMix Algorithmix Pro Audio Products - reNOVAtor™, easyNOVA™, ScratchFree™, NoiseFree™, LinearPhase PEQ RED and Orange .
I hope I can check it out on the Frankfurt Musik Messe.

Cheers

-a-

Masterlab - Masteringstudios

[beyarecords]

Some may find the following DynaMix Video of interest:

Algorithmix Dynamix Compressor And More | Gearwire

[bob katz]

Originally Posted by phild

I personally don't miss the m/s with these guys. What I miss is an Algorithmix compressor!

Hopefully you won't have long to wait for that.

I second (third, fourth, fifth) the emotion about the Algorithmix equalizers, they are among the best if not the best-sounding equalizers in any domain out there, especially for mastering.

M/S can be accomplished by using a special split version of the Red and Blue which are available, with an MS plugin in between. Unfortunately, ergonomics are not the Algorithmix's strong points, though I have tried to get some changes to help that, they are slow coming. When you use the plugin in dual mode (split mode) the left and right (or m and s) channels are spread across the whole screen. It would be far more ergonomic to have an M/S switch in a single (short screen) version of the plugin.

There is nothing perfect in the world. Weiss has the world's best ergonomics and one-knob-per function equalizer and dynamics processors. But in my opinion the algorithmix Red is hands down the most transparent and pure-sounding linear phase equalizer on the market. I asked Daniel if he would consider licensing Christoph's algorithm for the Weiss EQ and he said he would rather try to conquer it himself!

I have made time domain comparative measurements of the impulse response of 3 different equalizers which you can read about in the second edition of my book that I believe explain the reasons behind the incredible sonic superiority and transparency of the Algorithmix Red equalizer compared to other linear phase models.

By the way, I would NEVER kick my Weiss out of bed. I use it a lot and still love it. But there's good, there's great, and there's best, and, well....

BK

[daverich]

another vote for PlParEq here

Kind regards

Dave Rich

[wildpark]

algos plugs are only for pc and yes are one of the island plugins but

i never would go for windows hassle so i still stay by sony oxford plugins

thats sayd patrick

[bonne]

Originally Posted by bob katz

Hopefully you won't have long to wait for that.

I second (third, fourth, fifth) the emotion about the Algorithmix equalizers, they are among the best if not the best-sounding equalizers in any domain out there, especially for mastering.

BK

Good to hear. I have been a bit surprised to see reports in earlier Algorithmix threads here on GS stating that the Algo's (even the Blue) "kill transients", as one user put it. Form what you say here, this seems not to be your experience.

BTW do you know what classic hardware EQ's are being emulated in the Blue? I haven't found any info on that anywhere.

Good to see you back on the forums, Bob!

Thanks

Jørn

[yareck]

Originally Posted by bonne

BTW do you know what classic hardware EQ's are being emulated in the Blue? I haven't found any info on that anywhere.

This is not an one plugin which is able to offer you artilery of different equalizers in terms of sound.
Blue has very nice sound but it's a sound of its own and it's exactly like with Angeltone which is emulating something too but it does not come so close to real units. I think this "emulation" thing is rather a marketing issue.
In Blue curves are nice, some unusual and useful, it has GUI maybe not revolutional but easy to operate, but although they're telling about re-creation of different behaviours of miscelanous circuits and phase shifts I didn't hear any significant changes in sound beetween these modes. Maybe they are but I would expect something I could easy hear. Killing transients is the subjective thing, I think the problem is if you have a ITB mix it will always sounds better with the tube/passive hardware equalizer which is adding something "euphonic" and warm in the way that digital plugins can't add. From the other side if you have acoustic or classic, I think Algorithmix may be way to go, because you need things to be clean, smooth and rather untouched. Blue is placed somewhere beetween the clarity or Red/Orange and a kind of "analog cream" rather than "analog fatness" though it's still a plugin... but it's the good thing, I don't want to be unfair.