Antress ModernPlugins(free)

[miditus]

Hi,

Would like to hear your opinions/views regarding this new fully free modernplugins from Antress specially the Vintage Edition Bundle which emulates the LA2A, 1176, dbx160, Vari Mu and Phoenix compressors/limiters because i don't have access to the hardware that these plugins are emulating. That's why i'm asking for your kind thoughts about these new plugins.

Can it be used for ITB mastering?

http://www.modernplugins.in-tw.com/

Thanks in advance.

[Matti]

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=108055

[heathen]

I played with the LA 2A or whateva the hell they named it, um I thought it sucked, honestly, but I guess cause its free it doesnt suck so bad. I seriously can't see myself using it, even for mixing. But I'm sure someone will disagree as it's only my opinion.

[Bob Yordan]

I read on the Cubase forum that some people liked them for the GUI's.

But I haven't even bother to download them.

Cause I think nice GUI's does not improve the sound all that much.

[heathen]

Originally Posted by Bob Yordan

I read on the Cubase forum that some people liked them for the GUI's.

But I haven't even bother to download them.

Cause I think nice GUI's does not improve the sound all that much.

Yep totally agree, every emulation I see I just shake my head at the lack of creativity among some software designers. Though I'm sure alot will disagree. The lack of realism in the sound is even worse. I'm more interested in the new Nebula plugin, sure it will sample and emulate analog gear (hopefully reasonably well)though there is no cheesy gui, thats what I like.

[Cellotron]

afaik these plugins were coded with Synthmaker - which if true means that no "emulation" or "modelling" was done besides deciding which parameters to have control over based on having the gui's ripped off from other sources.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[Matti]

But if the interface problems are solved...
I would try, just to show I have this and that "emulation"
while I use my regulars.
Matti

[chrisj]

Originally Posted by heathen

Yep totally agree, every emulation I see I just shake my head at the lack of creativity among some software designers. Though I'm sure alot will disagree. The lack of realism in the sound is even worse. I'm more interested in the new Nebula plugin, sure it will sample and emulate analog gear (hopefully reasonably well)though there is no cheesy gui, thats what I like.

*ehe*

Makes me happy to read

I take some flak for refusing to focus on pictures of glowing tubes and such things, with people being like 'nobody will take your work seriously unless you start doing fancy GUI pictures of fake knobs etc', and then I read posts like these and it makes my day

Glad to be liked- assuming you can like a Mac AU developer- on the strength of no cheesey GUI, and a vari-mu plugin that actually DOES variable ratio but also lets you do the inverse effect- which, logically, would be anti-mu.

My cats are now protesting the anti-mew plugin, with little placards. Pitiful really as they can't hold them in their little paws...

(Anti-mu is a step in the direction of parallel compression since it has _decreasing_ ratio with increasing compression. It sounds good on drums, and also very good on bass, actually, if you want the feel of the sound to stay pretty consistent to the original bass without obvious vari-mu phattening)

http://store.kagi.com/cgi-bin/store....D=6FEGJ_LIVE&&

[bmanic]

Originally Posted by Cellotron

afaik these plugins were coded with Synthmaker - which if true means that no "emulation" or "modelling" was done besides deciding which parameters to have control over based on having the gui's ripped off from other sources.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

Allthough the Antress plugins suck big time this statement has to be corrected.

Synthmaker = full development platform. No limitations really if you are good enough at coding.

It has an assembler coding module for fxxks sake!

Cheers!
bManic

[Bob Yordan]

As I mentioned in another Antress thread on GS, I downloaded and checked'm out.

Thought I was able to find 2 of the plugs (Vari-Me & Phoenix) potentially useful.
When I used them in WL6. So I made 2 presets including the plugs.

Then I shut down WL6 & reopened the Phoenix preset after starting it again, but the GUI of Phoenix went all black and WL6 kind of frooze. So I deleted both presets. I cant use something that might mess up the projects tutt when reloading them again.

So now I am down to zero Antress plugs again.

[andivax]

these plugs was made in Synthmaker. It's core is DYNAMIC CONVOLUTION (the same used in Focusrite Liquid Mix). All these vintage stuff sounds very good.
We are compare real LA2A and UAD-1 LA2A with Antress LA2A and it was pretty close. Very close CHACACTER, but incorrect attack/release parameters.
So, if you need good and freeware plugs - use Antress.

[zaphod]

Originally Posted by andivax

these plugs was made in Synthmaker. It's core is DYNAMIC CONVOLUTION (the same used in Focusrite Liquid Mix). All these vintage stuff sounds very good.
We are compare real LA2A and UAD-1 LA2A with Antress LA2A and it was pretty close. Very close CHACACTER, but incorrect attack/release parameters.
So, if you need good and freeware plugs - use Antress.

antress = dynamic convolution?
1) Using dynamic convolution (a different ir for each sample) and keeping a short ir length (at least 10 milliseconds for a pretty decent emulation) you should use assembler at least for something below 50% on PeniumIV. These plugs should be cpu heavy.... Are they cpu heavy? (I didn't try them)

2) Other point: if this is true, there could be legal issues, even if they are free. But I could be wrong.

[andivax]

legal issues? i dont think so.
antress LA2A eats 12-15% of my Athlon 3000XP - i think all depends of algorhytm.

[zaphod]

Originally Posted by andivax

i think all depends of algorhytm.

so it is not dynamic convolution

[zaphod]

don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking you or antress, just I'm guessing about algo

[andivax]

i think we can mail to antress
about algo - i think you hear difference behind reason subtractor sound and logic es2 for example. it's about sound and cpu.

[zaphod]

ok, I'll do

[bmanic]

Originally Posted by andivax

i think we can mail to antress

Yes do that.. I'm wondering how dynamic convolution runs on this P3 laptop (1Ghz) and uses only about 40% of it's CPU power. Hmmmm....

There are some possibilities:

Antress is running dynamic convolution but with VERY short IRs. It's certainly doable with 64 or 128 sample IRs but that makes the results extremely poor and completely wrong sounding.

Also, the amount of "levels"/steps can be reduced but this again makes it much worse.

Somehow I think all this 'hype' of antress is being done on purpose, systematically, around the net on as many forums as possible. Why? I don't know..



- bManic

[zaphod]

Now I'm bit busy, but I'll ask to antress as soon as possible... I'm curious on this and on convolution in general

[DrDeltaM]

I thought Dynamic Convolution was patented by Sintefex... (Focusrite is licencing it from Sintefex for example for the Liquid Channel and Liquid Mix).

zaphod: is there convolution used in your Nebula (which I sadly coulnd't try yet as there's no mac version).

[zaphod]

"Volterra kernel" is an extension of the classic convolution concept.
Only more powerful! Dynamic volterra kernels are an extension of the classic "dyanmic convolution" concept. But there are a lot of new concepts too, for example our STEPH tecnology, our SMOOTH3 technology our MOVIEKERNEL technology, the trouble we ran out names for labelling all this stuff, imho labeling and marketing are pretty boring jobs, so we chose "vectorial volterra kernels" for everything and period

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by zaphod

the trouble we ran out names for labelling all this stuff, imho labeling and marketing are pretty boring jobs, so we chose "vectorial volterra kernels" for everything and period

Still hope you can do an OSX port soon, as this kind of technology sure interests me

[zaphod]

ehm,
we are a small company, not this year for sure! But who knows...

[matic3000]

seriously........
the stuff work's, as for exact emulations....
who the hell really cares i dont, free thats cool, i would still pay for that stuff
not waves or mcdsp prices though,
yes the setting's are off but if u are using the plugins for what they are and u will get good results, fiddling around and trying to maximize them just for proof of...quote "its not the real thing" then u wont get good results...as for waves and all that other stuff its all the same crap,
this antress stuff is even better than some of the waves and URS stuff
NO PLUGIN SOUNDS LIKE THE REAL THING

[Ged Leitch]

y'know, I have tried these out - not for mastering - but for .....Sample creation!!

I make my own electronic music - and create Kicks and my own perc loops etc

and I have to say the La2a emulation sounds very good on everything if set correctly.

Now im not talking about running it in real time with the tune - but rather compressing a newly created kick slightly with the la2a and exporting it as a
One shot - then simply save that as a new kick - same with loops etc...

Really beefs up my sound forge created kicks and fattens my percussion loops a hell of a lot better than every other compressor i've used.

[Neon Heart]

I've tried some of them AFTER reading all the bashing and have to say:

got some damn good parallel drum compression sounds out of the "modern amplifier" that could easily kick other's plugins assorhythms.

[Chaellus]

theres no dynamic convolution crap on these plugs ive tried em a year ago..only one plugin was ok. bu tno convolution here people, some are just blowing smoke