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| Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden
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Thread Starter Verified Member | SO I had Vlado Meller master the first single with this rock band I'm producing and mixing. I really like Vlado's 'tone'. It's smashed to the moon and back....but what rock band isn't these days. I've attached an MP3 so y'all can hear the result. First 30 sec is mastered, other half is my raw mix. Check these waveform out to..... ![]() . ![]() |
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| Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2007
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| Vlado has certainly been on the receiving end of some heavy criticism but the bottom line is he delivers what his clients want and he is very in demand. A great ME and individual. |
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| Mastering Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Always on the Run
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Verified Member | Don Lidell rocks! |
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| Gear nut Join Date: May 2004 Location: hollywood
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| vlado is a class act super aware and knowledgeable obviously killed it on that track super pro congrats |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Prague, Czech Republic
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| Someone has to have guts to clip so hard... lindell - you didn't pay, didn't you? ![]() |
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| Lives for gear | Ouch ... It´s almost hurting ... Was it meant seriously or just as a (bad) joke ? |
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| Airwindows Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Vermont
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| That's not very hot for Vlado. You're actually satisfied with it? He didn't clean up the tizzy highs very much, and he's a lot quieter than usual. If all you wanted was that, ask me next time. I seriously thought the clip was gonna be him going to -6dfFS again, which is definitely harder to do properly. |
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| Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Miami
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| vlado vlado is a bad ass mo fo, has been for a long time. c. |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands
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| the detailed pic is just scary! Can't wait to listen to it through some decent speakers (laptop is not really a good reference). <edit> I checked the detailed pic in wavelab. This shows me a different picture then above. The top of the peaks aren't that flat, there's still some micro dynamics. |
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| Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Haledon NJ
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Verified Member | Have you guys AB'd the before & after at the same volume level? I did, & took note that although the verse is at a lower level in relation to the intro compared to the original due to the level/clipping, IMO the tone was improved. He added a bit more snap into the kick in the intro & shifted the focus from the low end to the mids/guitars in the verse. the top end is a bit spacemonkyish but that's most likly due to the mp3. My observations are subjective, but in know way does this example reflect total destruction that should warrent an ...Oh mY!!...type of rection. although the fees should!! Ed |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: the Netherlands
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: manchester uk
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| I think the master sounds good the snare and kick sound more snappy to me which i like. I don't think its that loud compared to a lot of records today. I thought it was a good production to start with and the master makes it sound stronger i like it |
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and Vlado is not only a great mastering Eng, is a cool guy too! I love what he did with the song ...sounds with more consistency a much better low end and more energy!!! I love the song, great guitar and awesome singer!!!Great job Lindell! I would love to hear all the song!! really awesome tune and cool strings!!!
__________________ ------------------ Peace. ![]() Reuven Amiel "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems" | |
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| Gear Guru Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Verified Member | Quote:
Quote: from your mp3 - a from your mp3 - b It's cool you're happy but many people here could master this well mixed music very well.
__________________ brian lucey magic garden mastering The Shins, Dr. John, The Black Keys, OAR, David Lynch, Sami Yusuf, moe., Hacienda, Jessica Lea Mayfield Spiral Groove Studio One mixing monitors Last edited by lucey; 29th January 2007 at 12:25 AM.. Reason: removed the offending $ part | ||
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004
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FWIW, I prefer the first of the three... Nice job, Brian. Though, Lindell, if you're happy, and the band's happy, then... everyone's happy, aren't they? Cheers, bdp
__________________ "No work of art has ever done social harm, though a great deal of harm has been done by those who have sought to protect society against works of art which they regarded as dangerous." Stanley Kubrick (1972) "When I listen to a band like Good Charlotte I think they are a bunch of pussies but then I remember that I’m at that age so I should just shut up and get out of the way." Henry Rollins "We are all sons of bitches now." Kenneth Bainbridge, Physicist, Manhattan Project (1945) | |
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| Gear Guru Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Verified Member | I agree, yet I tend to make options ... for conversation. Quote:
I meant no disrespect to the master .... if anything, I'm saying that the mixer is over doing his praises. | |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC USA
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Verified Member | Hey, he got what he wanted from the engineer he wanted it from [at a price that he was obviously comfortable paying]. Sounds like it all worked out. BTW. I believe there is a seperate sub-forum for shameless self promotion, etc. Why don't we keep it there so the rest of the forum can have some class and professionalism. I'm sure nobody here would want Vlado calling their clients and offering to do the same project for $20.00 an hour. Lindell, congrats. Glad you like what Vlado did for you. |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: manchester uk
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| whats the name of the band i really like the song I'd like to purchase it when its available |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Berlin
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| promotional stuff left aside, vlado's sounds the most brutal in the strong part. also he really accentuated/made louder the first chord there that it feels like a sudden attack. psychologically that's what stays... lucey's sounds good overall and for sure better in the soft part... cheers istvan |
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| Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2007
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I'd have to agree with Chris in saying you have other places to peddle your wares. Also doing a master after having heard the the Vlado's in advance makes for an unfair advantage so you can hardly call this a shootout. But despite this I prefer Vlado's version anyway. | |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia.
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| Man. What a cheap shot!! Listening to someone else's master, then trying to improve it, and dispalying results and discussing costs in a public forum. Basically, slapping the original mastering dude in the face. then having the audacity to say that Vlado is a cool dude. Hilarious!! maybe try and use some tact next time and use private messaging. this is a forum to better the cause of mastering, not to sell your studio services on line. Vlado made choices on the day that may have been influenced by factors you're unaware of. And besides, the master sounds ok, what's the issue. Everyone talks of the perils of making hot masters, but when it comes down to it, insecurity kicks in, and the loudness war continues. Hilarious!!!!!! |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Prague, Czech Republic
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| mutual satisfaction is important it doesn't sound as bad as it looks, but I still think it is unnecessary to do it to such an extreme, in my world this is just wrong ;-| cool strings in the beginning btw |
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| Lives for gear | Quote:
Yeah I like it too!! Is hard to find heavy Rock bands that impress me!! REALLY GREAT BAND AND SINGER! AND THE PRODUCTION IS COOL TOO!! Can you post the whole song????? is that possible?? | |
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| Gear Guru Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Verified Member | Prefer one or the other processing pass as you will ... yet the mix and music are most of what people will hear when listening to any of these links. A thread that's talking about how unique a guy is, how much he charges, and how he has 'a sound' ... is fair game for a counter argument. I provided that argument in a clip ... made from an mp3, mind you. As far as using the Vlado clip as a reference, reference clips are totally normal. There's nothing easy about matching that level or those details, actually takes more time. I would have made it a little louder and what I'd consider 'better' if self-promotion was the goal. |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia.
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| Gear addict | Very nice mix. |
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