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Question Nasal Vocal Help

What is the Eq to boost or cut on a Nasal Vocal track? Any other techniques for this? Nose Spray? jk
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1K - 2K? And then boost a little low and a little high. But just a little.
You need another mic. One with a scooped midrange. So that instead of scooping the midrange in the mix, it's already been taken care of. The Dave Thomas CM12 tube mic is good for that application. (Do a GS search or check ebay. He's in Canada, and it takes a couple of months, but it's worth the wait) An alternative would be the ADK TC, another tube mic that, I believe, is scooped. Or an old AKG C414EB. On the cheap side, a Studio Projects C1 might work. If you're into plugins, a multiband compressor could help. Leave the high and low bands so they're not doing anything and then compress the mid band.
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there are two different kinds of nasal, first one occurs at around 1300 while the second is around 2300

however, i wouldn't even recommend doing this cause it kills the vocal sound IMHO

it should be fixed at source. Ya...nose spray, not joking tutt

you can take a reactine/claritin before doing vocals if you have allergies that are always triggered cause of your city environment. To fix your technique, alternate singing normally and singing while plugging your nose. There should be very little change in tonality. If there is an obvious change, you're trying to push too much air through your nose, which is the main cause of that nasal sound in the first place. Reshape your throat and mouth until you can get a similar sound. Practice with a mic and play it back for even better reference.

It may take weeks/months to start to fix it cause the way you shape the sound of your singing voice is a habit. You'll have to change that and solidify a better/proper one.

If you're just recording a guy with a nasal vocal...well...claritin and EQ...
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1. yes, nose spray and vocal technique--learn to sing from the chest and not through the nose.....and get the gunk out of the nose. alavert works well and rather quickly.

2. mic selection. find a mic that plays to the "good qualities" of the voice, and tones down the "bad" (nasally) qualities.

3. mic position. hang the mic high and aim it back down towards the vocalist's chest. hanging it high forces them to raise their head and open their throat when they sing. aiming it at their chest emphasizes the chest sound.

contrast, if you have them singing down into the mic, you will exacerbate everything that's bad about a nasally singer--their throat will be closed and they'll be singing down their nose at the mic.

4. EQ.

obviously, if the vocalist is you, work on #1 first and foremost. if you're just the recordist, concentrate on #2 and 3 and suggest #1 to the vocalist if the moment is right.


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"An alternative would be the ADK TC, another tube mic that, I believe, is scooped"

hey duncan what is "scooped"...i wanna know because i own this mic
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Rick Nelson James Taylor and many others did very well for themselves with their "nasal" sounding voices.
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With so much cosmetic surgery going on these day's I'm suprised there is'nt some kind of surgical procedure to improve one's singing voice...A new meaning to the term 'surgical EQ' perhaps. I actually had a friend with a very nasal voice who had some kind of blocked sinus situation that required surgery, he mentioned on a couple of occasions that he hoped that the surgery might improve his vocal tone...It did'nt. That'd be funny though...''hey doc, I want Stevie Wonders larynx''...''sure but it'll cost ya...we have a deal at the moment on Bob Dylan or we can hook you up with a William hung for real cheap. A Barry White will require additional surgery, for that we'll also have to replace your balls''.
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"An alternative would be the ADK TC, another tube mic that, I believe, is scooped"

hey duncan what is "scooped"...i wanna know because i own this mic
scooped meaning smile curve (frequency curve)
so more lows and highs relative to mids
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With so much cosmetic surgery going on these day's I'm suprised there is'nt some kind of surgical procedure to improve one's singing voice...A new meaning to the term 'surgical EQ' perhaps. I actually had a friend with a very nasal voice who had some kind of blocked sinus situation that required surgery, he mentioned on a couple of occasions that he hoped that the surgery might improve his vocal tone...It did'nt. That'd be funny though...''hey doc, I want Stevie Wonders larynx''...''sure but it'll cost ya...we have a deal at the moment on Bob Dylan or we can hook you up with a William hung for real cheap. A Barry White will require additional surgery, for that we'll also have to replace your balls''.
lol, i've wondered that myself...if i could get surgery to fix my nasal voice. Then I stopped dreaming for a quick fix and spent months reforming my singing habits to sing properly :P
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Nasal singers have a little thing called indie shoegaze pop. Try that and you don't have to change your voice at all.
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1. yes, nose spray and vocal technique--learn to sing from the chest and not through the nose.....and get the gunk out of the nose. alavert works well and rather quickly.

2. mic selection. find a mic that plays to the "good qualities" of the voice, and tones down the "bad" (nasally) qualities.

3. mic position. hang the mic high and aim it back down towards the vocalist's chest. hanging it high forces them to raise their head and open their throat when they sing. aiming it at their chest emphasizes the chest sound.

contrast, if you have them singing down into the mic, you will exacerbate everything that's bad about a nasally singer--their throat will be closed and they'll be singing down their nose at the mic.

4. EQ.

obviously, if the vocalist is you, work on #1 first and foremost. if you're just the recordist, concentrate on #2 and 3 and suggest #1 to the vocalist if the moment is right.


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Everyone is different, so do not read this as right vs. wrong, but your comment about the mic being high does not jive with my experience.

I was taught and have seen in my last 20 or so years of non professional singing that many singers sing up, stretching their necks and vocal chords in order to reach higher notes. It was pointed out that I did this in high school choir. The instructor was dead set on keeping your head level and instead of stretching the vocal chords, relax them and push more air over them. She was big on breathing from the gut, not the upper chest, and conviced me that more air over the chords is better than stretching them.

Since then I have seen this in other people too. If I can get them to lower their head (by that I mean keep it level) and push more air that their voice opens up and sounds more full or round.

I watched a bit of American Idol and saw a bit where an opera singer was having guys lay on the ground to sing and I kinda wondered if he was doing a bit of the same thing, or accomplishing the same results.

Again, ever person and situation is different, but I have only moved the vocal mic higher when I wanted to eliminate sibilance, not to make something sound less nasal.

Regarding your suggestion to point the mic at the chest, it is something I have never done. That is the first I have heard of it.

Again, not right or wrong... Just sharing different ideas.
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Jim--

Great points, and i understand completely what you're saying and where you're coming from! kfkh

I'm a nasally singer myself, and I figured I'd pass along the tips that have helped me personally. Aiming the mic down at my chest along with singing "up" have most definitely helped to mitigate the "nasality" of my voice. of course, they're nothing in comparison to learning to sing properly and breathe from the diaphragm, which has helped more than anything. "sound off like you've got a pair" and all that.

i saw that episode of AI you're talking about. That was Andrea Boccelli (sp?), and i was blown away at the powerfulness of his voice while lying down. to me, though, that shows the power of proper singing and breathing. classic example of teaching you to breathe downward (diaphragm) versus breathing outward (expanding chest).

i think that if the original poster experiments enough with technique, placement, and whatnot, he'll come out with something usable.


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If you have access to a freq. analyzer, you can see exactly which freqs. are the culprits and delicately notch (cut) them (narrow bandwidth) at mix time.
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Just have them sing

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me

We pillage, we plunder, we rifle and loot
Drink up me hearties, yo ho
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot
Drink up me hearties, yo ho


Thats what I do when I have naval vocals.

HA !

Drink lemon juice the nasty straight kind in the green glass bottle. Full throttle the eq in the headphone mix so they cant ignore it.
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Some of the advice being passed off here will make things worse!

If you want to learn to sing and not sound nasal then find a good vocal coach.

Usual things that strangle the voice and make it nasal...

The tongue being raised at the back of the mouth. Raise and tense sending the sound and the high notes to the nose and forward to the mouth without turning the structure of the face into a resonating chamber.

Singing in a key that is too high for the voice.

Like anything it takes time to develop good technique and make it natural. On top of this undoing poor technique and unprogramming the bad habits takes real careful perseverence and commitment.

Slowly mastering the vocal exercises provided by a voice coach that isn't a charlitan will make incremental improvements to the tone. Or you could try your best to disguise the crappy voice! If so I hope you aren't ugly! LOL

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Hey firby

by a naval voice do you mean that you sing out of your bellybutton or that you learned to sing in the navy??? LOL

only joking mate.

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try to sing to a tilted mic. from above and below your mouth. See what happens. One of them should decrease the nasal quality while emphasizing mouth noises. Can't remember which one though.
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You wonder if this thread was a setup. Haven't heard back from the original poster. And wuzzup with the double bulldoze ad?
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Nasal singers have a little thing called indie shoegaze pop. Try that and you don't have to change your voice at all.
What, you mean bands such as My Bloody Valentine, Slowdive and Asobi Seksu? Their vocals sound anything but nasal to me: very breathy with a lot of emphasis on the highs. Nasal for me means Bob Dylan.

A nasal voice can be nice, it isn't a handicap per se. IMO everyone should sing like nature intended for them, or else they're just forcing their voice. It's like having high cheekbones.

For a nasal singer, I'd suggest you try single tracking with the addition of a little overdrive at the preamp stage. Sort of like the singer from the Strokes, but more subtle.
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Viagra for nasal singers.... WHO KNEW!!
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Viagra for nasal singers.... WHO KNEW!!
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Viagra for nasal singers.... WHO KNEW!!
Gives me an interesting idea for photoshopping a pic of my singer.... nah, that wouldn't be right.
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