Old 9th December 2012
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Figure-8 SDC?

Anyone know of a good figure-8 SDC?

I've got a project coming up with a singer-songwriter that'll be playing acoustic guitar and singing at the same time. He's kind of a "muddy" acoustic player so I want an SDC to get maximum definition out of his playing but at the same time minimize the amount of vocal bleeding into the acoustic mic.

The vocal mic will most likely be a cardioid LDC (going to try my SM7b as well.) Acoustic guitar in the vocal mic usually just adds to the acoustic sound nicely so not looking for fig-8 there.

Thanks!
Old 9th December 2012
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Honestly, mic placement on the guitar is going to have a much larger effect on the sound than sdc vs ldc (which won't necessarily help you in the 'muddy' dept). If it's getting too muddy get further away from the sound hole; I'd start by aiming it further towards the neck.

Any multi-pattern LDC can help you out; you should be able to get pretty decent isolation from the vocals.
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Oktava 012 with the fig. 8 capsule.
Old 9th December 2012
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@edva have you used the Oktava fig-8 capsule? Thoughts?
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I have not, although I have extensive use of my 012's with cardioid and omni caps, both good, the omni especially is damn nice, so I would have faith that they got the fig 8 pretty right as well. HTH.
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I looked at that and wondered if it is in fact the same or typical of other fig 8s?
Notice they offer the fig-8 adapter for your existing cardioid caps as well for example.
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I looked at that and wondered if it is in fact the same or typical of other fig 8s?
Notice they offer the fig-8 adapter for your existing cardioid caps as well for example.
It's really two cardioid caps joined together and not really a single figure 8 capsule, so its side rejection should be no better than the cardioid.
Old 9th December 2012
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@erosconpollo - well that's a crock!

Any other fig-8 SDC contenders?
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It's really two cardioid caps joined together and not really a single figure 8 capsule, so its side rejection should be no better than the cardioid.
The capsules are out of phase, causing sounds arriving from the sides to be cancelled out.
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It's really two cardioid caps joined together and not really a single figure 8 capsule, so its side rejection should be no better than the cardioid.
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@erosconpollo - well that's a crock!
That is incorrect, from what I've read, the side rejection is much greater than with cardioid, I presume due to the fact that the capsules are two cardioid out of phase figure 8 pattern, as are all fig. 8 mics AFAIK. But, suit yourself.
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That is incorrect, from what I've read, the side rejection is much greater than with cardioid
Yep, sound directly from the side will arrive at both capsules simultaneously and be cancelled out when the two identical out-of-phase signals are summed.
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My favorite SDC for stringed instruments (Fiddle, Guitar, mando, etc) is the AT u873r. It's a hyper-cardioid, not a figure-8, though.



-tINY

Old 11th December 2012
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sennheiser mkh30, neumann km120
Old 11th December 2012
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Sennheiser mkh 800 or the holy grail neumann km56. (i use oktava with fig-8 capsule)
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Neumann KM120A. I have it. Very good
Old 27th December 2012
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Ended up tracking guitar and voice separately. Going to start saving for a KM86 though.
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