Black Lion PM 8 vs Dangerous D box?

[Baz]

As I recently said in another post re the dbox and summing, the summing is simply a bonus and I cant imagine why anyone would buy it for summing - especially for the price. Its a world class DA with some of the best headphone amps Ive heard. Pretty decent monitor controller too..If you're just looking for summing buy something else

[Sir Chris]

As I recently said in another post re the dbox and summing, the summing is simply a bonus and I cant imagine why anyone would buy it for summing - especially for the price. Its a world class DA with some of the best headphone amps Ive heard. Pretty decent monitor controller too..If you're just looking for summing buy something else

I have HS10's going straight into my RME FF800. So controlling my levels happens ITB. If I add a monitor controller like the D Box am I to expect a difference in sound quality? I was looking at a hardware option and was leaning toward the D Box cause of the bonus of adding OTB summing capabilities, which I'm hoping is superior to the Waves NLS.

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[h2o]

Originally Posted by Baz

As I recently said in another post re the dbox and summing, the summing is simply a bonus and I cant imagine why anyone would buy it for summing - especially for the price. Its a world class DA with some of the best headphone amps Ive heard. Pretty decent monitor controller too..If you're just looking for summing buy something else

Thanks for your reply .
What about Vintage Maker LittleOne16 or Zed 24 or Folcrom ?

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Sir Chris

I have HS10's going straight into my RME FF800. So controlling my levels happens ITB. If I add a monitor controller like the D Box am I to expect a difference in sound quality?

Well, I believe you will - plus I hate controlling my monitors via s/w I did for a short time with my old FF800 and had a few scares as far a volume spikes. I run a FF400 as my AD and it goes SPDIF out to my Dbox, which outputs to my BM5a's. I've been privileged to use some great DA over the years and I honestly feel the DBox DA hangs with anything I've used thus far.

I also need to mention the quality of the headphone amps again, which are really great

I haven't even used the summing yet

Originally Posted by h2o

Thanks for your reply .
What about Vintage Maker LittleOne16 or Zed 24 or Folcrom ?

Sorry, I can't comment on any of these as I've never used them. If it was me, I'd prolly look at that BLA you mentioned in this thread.

[Sir Chris]

Originally Posted by Baz

Well, I believe you will - plus I hate controlling my monitors via s/w I did for a short time with my old FF800 and had a few scares as far a volume spikes. I run a FF400 as my AD and it goes SPDIF out to my Dbox, which outputs to my BM5a's. I've been privileged to use some great DA over the years and I honestly feel the DBox DA hangs with anything I've used thus far.

I also need to mention the quality of the headphone amps again, which are really great

I haven't even used the summing yet



Sorry, I can't comment on any of these as I've never used them. If it was me, I'd prolly look at that BLA you mentioned in this thread.

Thanks for your reply. I will certainly reconsider this further.

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[Robert(AOS)]

The PM-8 it's a cool box I've been using one for about a year and love it, mkII it's on the horizon with upgraded transformers and few others stuff and the best part of it that the mkI could be upgraded just by paying the price difference.

[h2o]

Originally Posted by Robert(AOS)

The PM-8 it's a cool box I've been using one for about a year and love it, mkII it's on the horizon with upgraded transformers and few others stuff and the best part of it that the mkI could be upgraded just by paying the price difference.

Thanks Robert ,
Is the level knob useful? Do you go though ext mic pre amp for make up gain?
Have you ever experienced any noise issue?

[Sir Chris]

So if it seems the PM 8 is better how does it compare to a 2 Bus LT? Its the same price as a D Box only 16 channels instead of 8. Plus the 2 Bus LT is a dedicated summing box like the PM 8 where's the D Box seems to be a dedicated monitor control with the added bonus of 8 channels of summing.

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[Robert(AOS)]

Originally Posted by h2o

Thanks Robert ,
Is the level knob useful? Do you go though ext mic pre amp for make up gain?
Have you ever experienced any noise issue?

The knobs are useful because you could dial in the the amount of color you want, ex; you could hit the input transformer hard but not so hard on the output or vice versa, or you could use the transformer-less output and hit the input trans hard.

No I don't use the passive output of the pm-8 (don't have outboard pres worth trying), I use the transformer coupled output or the transformer-less depending on what I'm mixing.

[Robert(AOS)]

Originally Posted by Sir Chris

So if it seems the PM 8 is better how does it compare to a 2 Bus LT? Its the same price as a D Box only 16 channels instead of 8. Plus the 2 Bus LT is a dedicated summing box like the PM 8 where's the D Box seems to be a dedicated monitor control with the added bonus of 8 channels of summing.

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I'm not sure i never used one of those devices, can't really tell which one its better but by looking at the spec of both I will say that one its a color box with 2 colors, 3 colors if you have decent pres, one it's not.

I guess both companies had a different approach to what a summing box it's supposed to be.

[h2o]

Originally Posted by Robert(AOS)

The knobs are useful because you could dial in the the amount of color you want, ex; you could hit the input transformer hard but not so hard on the output or vice versa, or you could use the transformer-less output and hit the input trans hard.

No I don't use the passive output of the pm-8 (don't have outboard pres worth trying), I use the transformer coupled output or the transformer-less depending on what I'm mixing.

Much appreciated for your reply.
Cheers

[Sir Chris]

Originally Posted by Robert(AOS)

I'm not sure i never used one of those devices, can't really tell which one its better but by looking at the spec of both I will say that one its a color box with 2 colors, 3 colors if you have decent pres, one it's not.

I guess both companies had a different approach to what a summing box it's supposed to be.

I guess the "which one is better" is not the right question since its very subjective. I was thinking more, are the PM-8 and 2 Bus LT the same quality. The D Box from what it sounds doesn't seem to be but I'm willing to bet if u speak to a Dangerous rep they would say the D Box is the same summing (quality wise) as the 2 Bus LT only 8 channels instead of 16. Which would make a D Box an amazing unit considering the monitor aspects is top notch.

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[Robert(AOS)]

here is an example of the sound you will get on the PM-8

PM-8 1 Its output 1 of the unit (coupled transformer)
PM-8 2 Its output 2 of the unit (Transformer less)
ITB Its well ITB

[h2o]

Originally Posted by Robert(AOS)

here is an example of the sound you will get on the PM-8

PM-8 1 Its output 1 of the unit (coupled transformer)
PM-8 2 Its output 2 of the unit (Transformer less)
ITB Its well ITB

My fav is output 1