are behringer really that bad.

[josha]

are their labour practices really that bad-compared to other brands made in china. Any evidence of sweat shop practices? Should I feel bad (from a consumer, not audio point of view) about buying their stuff?!?

[SYL]

feel bad? f$#k no!

[TragikRemix]

absolutley not...

there stuff really isnt that bad at all. if you are careful with your equiptment, it shouldnt break easily. i have quite a few behringer things, none of which give me any problems.

ub2442 mixer
ada8000 adat interface
mdx1400 compressor limiter
bx3000/bb15 bass amp
ha4700 headphone amp

none of it has given me any problems, nor is their evidence of poor quality/construction.

[weatherbox]

I like the 8 channel headphone amp for $120...

[Jose Mrochek]

yep gearslutz is not the same anymore.....

[nathanvacha]

Ooh. Behringer should be resigned to the "low end" forum. I'll give and say it has it's place... but that place is definitely in the low end forum. and the bedroomest of bedroom recording setups.

[ekimeno]

Actually, the low end forum is too high end for the likes of Behringer

[6strings]

I'd never buy Berhringer because:

1. I believe you get what you pay for... and

2. In some cases it would feel too close to buying stolen gear for my conscious. (but I guess this doesn't bother some folk

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by 6strings

I'd never buy Berhringer because:

1. I believe you get what you pay for... and

2. In some cases it would feel too close to buying stolen gear for my conscious. (but I guess this doesn't bother some folk

Bothers me for sure... to the original thread..... yes it is that bad.

[heyman]

"yep gearslutz is not the same anymore....."

Come on, drop the elitist attitutde. Its a piece of equipment, if it works and does something well and saves someone some coin, it servers it purpose. Would I use a Behringer pre, probibly not, but a headphone dist box, why not?


Maybe this belongs in the low end, but gear doesnt make the music, talented people make the music..

[Albert]

From the consumer point of view you should feel bad about buying gear that is a ripoff of other company's designs.

[Jose Mrochek]

Originally Posted by heyman

"yep gearslutz is not the same anymore....."

Come on, drop the elitist attitutde. Its a piece of equipment, if it works and does something well and saves someone some coin, it servers it purpose. Would I use a Behringer pre, probibly not, but a headphone dist box, why not?


Maybe this belongs in the low end, but gear doesnt make the music, talented people make the music..

I work with low end crap all the time. Not being elitist, I had another thread about how gs.com has turned around.. it was funny to see the pissing contests over the ¨b¨ word.

[heyman]

Thanks Jose for the clear up..

and keeping cool...

[chetatkinsdiet]

Originally Posted by Albert

From the consumer point of view you should feel bad about buying gear that is a ripoff of other company's designs.

What? Yeah, wouldn't it be terrible if other manufacturers start ripping off others designs like Neve, API, UREI, Trident....you want me to go on?

That's what we as consumers want, right? I want a Neve at a fraction of the price, so there are plenty of manufacturers out there trying to do that.

To answer the original question, there are some terribly cheap...and cheap sounding Behringer gear, but as someone else mentioned, in a home/project studio, what's wrong with the HP Disty box? I was trying to think of another product but can't.

m

[2012]

Q: What's wrong with the B#&$*@&%R headphone amps?

A: They sound like shit

[joelpatterson]

(The other product is the 4-channel multi-compressor. If you switch off all its many bells and whistles and just use it as a safety limiter, it's fine.)

[danasti]

Originally Posted by heyman

Maybe this belongs in the low end, but gear doesnt make the music, talented people make the music..

Headroom is headroom so you could be the best engineer in the whole world but with behringer you can only sound so big.

Everything they make is lowend. Even they admit that fact, so I don't think he (or anyone else) is trying to be an elitist by slapping the lowend tag on behringer.

I think it's just "gearslutz being gearslutz". Calling a pig with lipstick, a pig, instead of, a pretty pig.

Gnatimeen?

[chetatkinsdiet]

True the HP amps don't sound that good...at all, but if someone is putting together a project studio on a budget, that's an area I would say it's ok to go cheap on. Now, when tracking vocals, that's a different story. You should have at least one decent HP amp for that. But for tracking drums, guitar, bass, etc....live....an amp like this is definitely usable.

m

[2012]

[2012]

Originally Posted by chetatkinsdiet

True the HP amps don't sound that good...at all, but if someone is putting together a project studio on a budget, that's an area I would say it's ok to go cheap on. Now, when tracking vocals, that's a different story. You should have at least one decent HP amp for that. But for tracking drums, guitar, bass, etc....live....an amp like this is definitely usable.
m

I don't disagree with you. When looking for cheap headphone amps with direct inputs, there isn't really any competition in that price range. I got an HA8000 to use for headphone mixes for clients. The direct inputs on the HA8000 allow seperate mixes for each set of cans. While working through projects, I never actually listened to it myself, only my clients heard it. When i needed headphones, I used the headphone amp in the 002R. Then one day, I listened to the HA8000... and I feel bad making any clients use it now. It just hurts.

[Jim vanBergen]

Its not bad because its cheap, It's bad because of the worst business practices (specifically but not limited to labor & copyright/design theft) in the world.

Search the forums. Read whats been written.

Then listen. We are constantly saying ITS ABOUT THE SOUND, NOT THE BRAND.
And realize that cheap is cheap, and it sounds mediocre at best.

Integrity is Integrity. B does not have any.

[drBill]

OK, here's the reason I won't buy any of a certain companies stuff. Several years ago I worked for a different company that was "retained" by you know who to "knock off" a popular piece of gear. Eventually we found that the plan was to backward engineer the piece of gear that a third very popular company had put a lot of work into. The certain company in question shipped the competitors piece to the design team to "knock it off". Needless to say, when the company I worked for found out exactly the details, they backed out. But someone else did it for them. Not sure who. Take a visual look at the company in questions gear and then look at their competitors pieces. See any resemblance? Yup. I think for awhile the company in question was getting sued by Aphex because someone had ripped one of aphex's PCB designs and stupidly enough, left the Aphex name on the PCB. (Chinese goof up) Doh! After the designs are ripped, the stuff is made as cheap as possible in China. Please notice I did not say the names of the involved parties as I don't like lawsuits.

If you respect intelectual property and copyrights (as everyone in a creative industry should, IMO) I'd stay away from it. If not, buy on!

[synthoid]

Is every last piece of Behringer gear a ripoff? There are a lot of things that they make that I don't recognize as obvious copies of something else. That digital mixer they put out -- 3216? -- I never actually saw one and they withdrew it from the marketplace, I think because it didn't work well, but in any case what is it a copy of? How about their little mixers, like their little 4- and 6- channel jobs? I haven't seen another product that has that form factor and look. Maybe I've just missed it, because admittedly I don't buy a lot of mixers.

In the electronics and software business, it is so common to rip off circuits / algorithms / interfaces / etc., that I guess I'm not as scandalized by it as some of the readers here are. I think in those industries the assumption is that if you don't assert patent protection over it, then it will be copied. But circuits, unless they are really creative and novel, are difficult to patent, so they are ripped off all the time.

-synthoid

[vixapphire]

Originally Posted by synthoid

Is every last piece of Behringer gear a ripoff? There are a lot of things that they make that I don't recognize as obvious copies of something else. That digital mixer they put out -- 3216? -- I never actually saw one and they withdrew it from the marketplace, I think because it didn't work well, but in any case what is it a copy of? How about their little mixers, like their little 4- and 6- channel jobs? I haven't seen another product that has that form factor and look. Maybe I've just missed it, because admittedly I don't buy a lot of mixers.

In the electronics and software business, it is so common to rip off circuits / algorithms / interfaces / etc., that I guess I'm not as scandalized by it as some of the readers here are. I think in those industries the assumption is that if you don't assert patent protection over it, then it will be copied. But circuits, unless they are really creative and novel, are difficult to patent, so they are ripped off all the time.

-synthoid

actually, if you've ever seen one, the 3216 is visually highly similar to the yamaha 01v rackmount mixer. features-wise it's a pretty good egg too. while it may not be a yamaha, i'll take it: it's got 4 SHARC chips in it that afford decent sounding eq's and dynamics (comp and gate) on 32 channels (plus dynamics on the mix as well), plus 4 built-in effects which are of so-so quality. i paid 800 USD for mine new on their first or second knock-down of pricing, before they were slashed to $600 and finally no longer seen anywhere. i've gotten several good years of solid, reliable trouble-free use out of mine, so i can't complain the way some people here lay into behringer. i used to think it was a totally cheezy company too, until i gave this thing a shot.

yeah, most of the behringer gear is aesthetically/ergonimically ripped off from market-leading third-party "hit" products, to which i can only....zzzzzzzzzzz *yawn*

as for "you can only get it to sound so big on a behringer", with regard to the analog boards (this digital mixer is quite huge sounding, it's true), is b's analog stuff really that much worse than all that 90's mackie 3208/1604 boxy-sounding shite, or even the first-gen 02R, which sounds pretty darn small-ball? seriously, how much worse could it be?

oh, one more thing: the big drawback to this mixer (and it's kind of a doozy, considering...) is that it's got a small but noticeable (if not downright loud) fan in it. sounds like a ****ing hoover's on the rug behind the rack. annoying but for the low price of the unit. it's a choice stopgap on the way to affording a more high-end solution.

[audioboy6]

dfegad Behringer is one of the worst companies (probably the worst) producing semipro audio equipment today. It's cheap for a reason. They are taking advantage of third world labor, Using shitty parts and having low quality control standards. Not to mention most of their designs are blatant copies of respectable products.

You people should be ashamed to be on this site and support a company like Behringer. What kind of gearslut are you? When you support companies like this it forces other companies (that make quality products and are ethical) to try and compete bring the quality of everything down, and forcing many companies to fold or merge.

And lets face it getting a mixer for less than $200 is just wrong. You can't produce a quality mixer at that price even if it is only has 2 channels. It just goes to show the current state pro audio is almost as bad as low end consumer audio equipment.

Sorry for the rant. This stuff just really pisses me off.

[TinderArts]

Originally Posted by heyman

Would I use a Behringer pre, probibly not, but a headphone dist box, why not?

Cause it sounds bad. Nuff said?

[big country]

Take a look at how many Fender and Gibson
rip offs thier are, even fender and gibson
rip them selfs off for cheaper stuff.
(squire, ephiphone) .not to mention
most tube amps are ripped at some point.
who plays a song that aint thiers.
you F-in thiefs. cool thing about cheap gear
it dont hurt when it craps out.I got my eye
on one of those guitar DIs they make .
supposed to be better than the pod.
Unless you Invented compresion and
all that other stuff its copyied . so stop being
a f-in snob.that goes for Mac snobs to.

[gsilbers]

i got a few beringer stuff and its amazing. it sounds fine for about 2 month and then tons of hiss comes up makeing it awfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfullyawfully awfully bad to use.

the small mixer is one example. just to get something as simple as 2 or 3 synths together i just couldnt use cause of the noise the beringer had.

i also got a digital modeling tube amp with real tube... also.. for two month i thought i made a cool dicovery then NOISE!!!!
i record guitar or vocals and when i compress all these noise came up.

but then i bought a monitor mixer ala bigknob sylte and as for now it hasnt giving me any problems but who knows.

and today everything is made in china except for some high end gear that try to stay pure while loosing money.

everything is made in china one way or another , parts, labor , as for swaetshops who knows.. its a grey area. i think theres lists around thAT say what comapnies use sweatshoplike practices.

also....



what happens is for example. nike doesnt use sweatshops but contracts smaller companies form china to do certain shoes. nike has no idea if the small company used sweatshops. they can go there and check but i think they rather make a profit than to waste money chekin if theres no lawsiut around.

[uvc1977]

With Behringer products I think you need to seperate the good and bad, because some stuff they do produce is rubbish but they do have stuff out there that is quality.

I use Behringer equipment in my studio and have used Behringer products in numerous other studios/PA's. Quality control is an issue - pots & faders will vary in smoothness/stiffness. Behringer gets bashed for it because lets face it they are the most successful low end company out there if it was another co im sure they would cop the same treatment.

I tend to use there stuff in situations where sound quality its not that critical or they are just perfect for the job. For instance ive been using the PX3000 patchbays for years no troubles what so ever. I have the Bass V Amp Pro and V Amp Pro guitar units do they provide 'realistic amp quality' ha forget it but as a rackmountable cheap box's that I can use for guitarists to laydown a guide track whilst tracking a drum kit fantastic or using as a fx processor to dirty up a sound great also.

[big country]

for a site full of sluts Id think you all would understand.
who has hopped on a fatty and lived to tell about it.
some times you gotta have it .
of course you would rather have some smokin goods
some times your stuck.a F- up car is better than walkin.
hold your head high cheap slutz.
at least your get-in some.















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