outboard reverb units ins and outs

[abechap024]

If your only going to be using a mono input, then don't have anything plugged into the other input, because if it does change the behavior of your unit it is going to change it from mono input, to stereo input; which if you are infact sending audio to only one input anyway, is not desirable.
Hope that makes sense.

[balanceman]

Lots of modern reverbs let you choose I/o options in software.
Stereo in. Mono l. Mono r.
Depends on what unit it is.
I would hook it up stereo at the bay. If its giving you grief, unhook 1 side at the hardware. Stereo sends is awesome. Mono sends remind me of the last century.

[balanceman]

Ps: hi Abe at AC! Still
Digging the CLX I got last spring!!

[waveterm]

Originally Posted by madmuso

hey guys,

While on the subject of effects units, im curious to know what some people have on their Aux sends, we have 1 stereo send and 4 mono.

thanks,

Aux 1 + 2 : Roland R-880 ( Two machines mono in/stereo out )
Aux 3 : Klark Teknik DN-780
Aux 4 : Eventide H-3000B
Aux 5 : Sony R-7
Aux 6 : 2x Roland SDE-3000A
Aux 7 : Yamaha SPX-1000
Aux 8 : Korg SDD-3000

Bus 31-32 : Roland Dimension D

Other outboard gets patched in depending on task.

WT

[drBill]

Patchbay rule #1 - ALL inputs and outputs come up on bay. Patch as needed. You may cut corners and not put all on the bay now, but as SOME point in time - different Aux config, different console, swapped out verb, whatever - you will regret not putting ALL inputs and outputs up on the bay. My $.02. Man whose redone his 6th PB for the LAST time with EVERYTHING on it.

[pan60]

Originally Posted by drBill

Patchbay rule #1 - ALL inputs and outputs come up on bay. Patch as needed. You may cut corners and not put all on the bay now, but as SOME point in time - different Aux config, different console, swapped out verb, whatever - you will regret not putting ALL inputs and outputs up on the bay. My $.02. Man whose redone his 6th PB for the LAST time with EVERYTHING on it.

[madmuso]

thanks for the replies and advice guys. I think we will patch them in even if we dont use them, most of the outboards are older units so i dont think their inputs would change the config if a jack is plugged in, surely if it did there would be something written in the manuals but like I said there is no mention.

Waveterm, cool setup. So does each of your r880's have a stereo output? Does this mean you have 4 faders receiving the returns from both units? Thats some r880 fader real estate! I never really thought about having 2 separate units on the stereo send. what instruments do you mainly send through aux 1 and 2?

[psycho_monkey]

This is one of the things mults on a patch bay are good for. If you have a reverb that does automatically switch modes when you plug into both inputs, then just use a mult to send "dual mono" to the inputs.

[waveterm]

Originally Posted by madmuso

Waveterm, cool setup. So does each of your r880's have a stereo output? Does this mean you have 4 faders receiving the returns from both units? Thats some r880 fader real estate! I never really thought about having 2 separate units on the stereo send. what instruments do you mainly send through aux 1 and 2?

Yeah, each "machine" in the R880 has two outputs for stereo so yes, 4 channel faders gets used for the 880. My desk doesn´t have any stereo channels but with 72 mono inputs it is of no concern for me.

In addition to what is normally patched to auxes, I have other units that gets put into use if I need it.

Everything comes up at the desk patchbay and I can reroute anything there. Sometimes I use mults in the patchbay to send an Aux to several units at the same time. For instance I can mult one Aux that I dedicate to the lead vocal and put 1 R880 machine for reverb, Eventide for spread and a couple of delays.

The 880 usually gets used for vocal reverb and drum reverb.

WT

[madmuso]

Originally Posted by waveterm

Yeah, each "machine" in the R880 has two outputs for stereo so yes, 4 channel faders gets used for the 880. My desk doesn´t have any stereo channels but with 72 mono inputs it is of no concern for me.

In addition to what is normally patched to auxes, I have other units that gets put into use if I need it.

Everything comes up at the desk patchbay and I can reroute anything there. Sometimes I use mults in the patchbay to send an Aux to several units at the same time. For instance I can mult one Aux that I dedicate to the lead vocal and put 1 R880 machine for reverb, Eventide for spread and a couple of delays.

The 880 usually gets used for vocal reverb and drum reverb.

WT

wow, 72 inputs! nice! Im still fairly new at all this so heres a dumb question.
again you guys have got me thinking regarding your commenst to multing and aux's out and being able to send a signal to multiple units via one send but im still very new to the whole console and patchbay workflow, so heres a dumb question. The console we are currently setting up (6000e) has 6 aux, a stereo pair and 4 mono. The patchbay only has these 6 aux send sockets, how do we make duplicates of these to be able to implement the mentioned technique?

I can definitely see how this techinique would work really well on a console with loads of fader inputs because at least you can accommodate for the fx units returns.

thanks again,

[waveterm]

Ís it a SSL 6000e ? If so, you should be able to install another patchbay that you use for extra tielines and mults.

Basically, you hardwire a number of jacks on the backside of the patchbay so that they are parallell. Usually in groups of 4 jacks.

WT

[madmuso]

Originally Posted by waveterm

Ís it a SSL 6000e ? If so, you should be able to install another patchbay that you use for extra tielines and mults.

Basically, you hardwire a number of jacks on the backside of the patchbay so that they are parallell. Usually in groups of 4 jacks.

WT

ah ok, thanks heaps, I think i got it. Yeah its a 6000e. So, lets see if I get this right. lets assume I have installed a patch bay that has the first two sockets multed to the following 4 sockets (top and bottom rows ins and outs). You would then patch from the consoles "standard" sends into the first 2 sockets of the newly installed patchbay, now you have the 2 sends available at the 6 sockets. Is that what you mean? Maybe im confused!

[waveterm]

Yeah, that´s basically how it works.

Usually you mult horisontally.

Upper row :
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
-MultA- -MultB-

Lower row :
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
-MultC- -MultD-

etc

WT

[madmuso]

Originally Posted by waveterm

Yeah, that´s basically how it works.

Usually you mult horisontally.

Upper row :
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
-MultA- -MultB-

Lower row :
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
-MultC- -MultD-

etc

WT

Great! thanks sooooooooooooo much for your help, and everyone else's advice too, greatly appreciated, now we can get busy on this patchbay too!
I'll search the net for documentation on how to construct/wire up a mult patch bay, if I get stuck I'll ask around here,

thanks again!

[TheLastByte]

Agreed, the 2 in 2 out is also needed as some Reverb & FX and engines do work in Stereo, so even if your using it mono, a Y connector into Channel R then L input and using the L output makes full use of the reverb of Effects input routing on a mono output. Though as others and the very wise DrBill has stated, you want to be able to bring everything up, no matter how many channels your using....as a single jack or bantam plug in makes life so much easier.