Making custom headphone mixes for each player ?

andremp5 · 3rd July 2006

Hello buddys !

I´ll record drums, bass, and a guitar. I could possibly make a scratch track with just the guitars and maybe the bass trough a POD XT, and Bass V-amp ... and send these to drumer. However, lets assume i prefer to isolate the bass amp, the guitar amp, have them both mikied properly, and stay with the drummer and the bass player in the drum room ... so we get that kind of live vibe, that i kinda miss when recording in separate takes...

OK ... Is there a way with an Emu 1820m and a Mackie VLZ 1604 Pro to setup ... 3 Different headphone mixes ? I mean, ill connect all the mics to the mixer, send them to the PC, route them back into the mixer and send them to the headphone out ... OK thats the usual way, but i need to make kustom mixes, where the guitar will be louder in the guitarrist can ... etc ... etc ...

I know its easy to that playing in different takes, overdubind the scrath tracks ... But is that a way to do that live ?

hgen · 3rd July 2006

Well, you have set up your mixer, to send feeds, from each channel you want in the cans, via the aux sends. If you have 4 sends you can have 4 different mixes. The output of the aux sends goes to the seperate channels on the headphone amp. You just assign on your mixer what instruments you want to send via the aux sends.

andremp5 · 3rd July 2006

Dude, GOD bless you !!!

Cleared up everything. But one more question... OK ? Acctualy is a thought. I do a scracth, play it back to the drummer via one of the sends, send the rough bass and guitar + nice drums to the control room out, for the engineer. Then i playback that nice drum track, and record the bass and guitar again ... having the drum track comming in stereo to 2 channels, the bass mics to 2 channels, the guitar ones to 2 channels, and them play with the sends a create 3 custom mixer for the players !?
RiGHT?

Thank you

andremp5 · 3rd July 2006

One more thing ... guys ...

After i record the drum track over the scrath guitars/bass, i will want to redo those. I want the drums to be on stereo on both headphones, and the guitars in stereo trough the guitarrist phones while the bass in mono. On the bass can, bass in stereo and guitars in mono...

So i send the tracks to outs: drums (1-2), guitars (3-4), bass (5-6), route them into the mix, pan on drum track at left and one drum track at right and send those to Aux 1 and 2. Then i pan the guitars and send them to aux 1, while the bass in Aux 1 will be only a mono track. And the same for the bass player ?

Is that the right way to setup different stereo mixes ? Correct me plz.

Thank You

andremp5 · 3rd July 2006

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hgen · 4th July 2006

Normally, you have 4 sends, ie 2 stereo busses but it depends on your mixer of course. ie. 1 & 2 aux send, 3 & 4 aux send.

To make a stereo headphone mix, the seteo aux send outs at the be back of your mixer gets sent as a stereo pair to your headphone amp. ie L & R.

To make a mono headphone mix, you send say aux send 1 only to the headphone amp. ie it is in mono now so input it to mono input on your head phone amp. If you dont have a mono input then you need to use a splitter to send a dual mono signal to your headphone amp stereo(balanced) inputs.

timotheus · 10th July 2006

Everything depends on everything else.

Obvously you are not using protools, (Which I use) but if you can have three stereo Sends on every channel (PTLE allows 5) I would use out 1/2 for control room, 3/4 guitars 5/6 bass 7/8 drums (order doesn't really matter)

Now Protools would be giving me a total of 3 stereo submixes, via the aux sends.

the Aux send under PTLE will allow you to monoize a stereo send at hard left, hard right, dead center, or anywhere in between, (there are literally 2 pan faders) If you want only one of the tracks to go through (If say Left is DI, and right is miced cabinet, you could also split the stereo track into mono)

3rd July 2006	#1
andremp5 Gear interested Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Thread Starter	Making custom headphone mixes for each player ? Hello buddys ! I´ll record drums, bass, and a guitar. I could possibly make a scratch track with just the guitars and maybe the bass trough a POD XT, and Bass V-amp ... and send these to drumer. However, lets assume i prefer to isolate the bass amp, the guitar amp, have them both mikied properly, and stay with the drummer and the bass player in the drum room ... so we get that kind of live vibe, that i kinda miss when recording in separate takes... OK ... Is there a way with an Emu 1820m and a Mackie VLZ 1604 Pro to setup ... 3 Different headphone mixes ? I mean, ill connect all the mics to the mixer, send them to the PC, route them back into the mixer and send them to the headphone out ... OK thats the usual way, but i need to make kustom mixes, where the guitar will be louder in the guitarrist can ... etc ... etc ... I know its easy to that playing in different takes, overdubind the scrath tracks ... But is that a way to do that live ?

3rd July 2006	#3
andremp5 Gear interested Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Thread Starter	YES !!! Dude, GOD bless you !!! Cleared up everything. But one more question... OK ? Acctualy is a thought. I do a scracth, play it back to the drummer via one of the sends, send the rough bass and guitar + nice drums to the control room out, for the engineer. Then i playback that nice drum track, and record the bass and guitar again ... having the drum track comming in stereo to 2 channels, the bass mics to 2 channels, the guitar ones to 2 channels, and them play with the sends a create 3 custom mixer for the players !? RiGHT? Thank you

3rd July 2006	#4
andremp5 Gear interested Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Thread Starter	Ops. sry One more thing ... guys ... After i record the drum track over the scrath guitars/bass, i will want to redo those. I want the drums to be on stereo on both headphones, and the guitars in stereo trough the guitarrist phones while the bass in mono. On the bass can, bass in stereo and guitars in mono... So i send the tracks to outs: drums (1-2), guitars (3-4), bass (5-6), route them into the mix, pan on drum track at left and one drum track at right and send those to Aux 1 and 2. Then i pan the guitars and send them to aux 1, while the bass in Aux 1 will be only a mono track. And the same for the bass player ? Is that the right way to setup different stereo mixes ? Correct me plz. Thank You

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3rd July 2006	#2
hgen 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended. Joined: May 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 803	Well, you have set up your mixer, to send feeds, from each channel you want in the cans, via the aux sends. If you have 4 sends you can have 4 different mixes. The output of the aux sends goes to the seperate channels on the headphone amp. You just assign on your mixer what instruments you want to send via the aux sends.

4th July 2006	#6
hgen 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended. Joined: May 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 803	Normally, you have 4 sends, ie 2 stereo busses but it depends on your mixer of course. ie. 1 & 2 aux send, 3 & 4 aux send. To make a stereo headphone mix, the seteo aux send outs at the be back of your mixer gets sent as a stereo pair to your headphone amp. ie L & R. To make a mono headphone mix, you send say aux send 1 only to the headphone amp. ie it is in mono now so input it to mono input on your head phone amp. If you dont have a mono input then you need to use a splitter to send a dual mono signal to your headphone amp stereo(balanced) inputs.

10th July 2006	#7
timotheus Gear Head Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 35	Everything depends on everything else. Obvously you are not using protools, (Which I use) but if you can have three stereo Sends on every channel (PTLE allows 5) I would use out 1/2 for control room, 3/4 guitars 5/6 bass 7/8 drums (order doesn't really matter) Now Protools would be giving me a total of 3 stereo submixes, via the aux sends. the Aux send under PTLE will allow you to monoize a stereo send at hard left, hard right, dead center, or anywhere in between, (there are literally 2 pan faders) If you want only one of the tracks to go through (If say Left is DI, and right is miced cabinet, you could also split the stereo track into mono)