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Old 7th September 2012   #1
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CLA:how to get these results?

Hi, i'm edoardo from italy.
I'm a professional SE. I try the WAVES CLA SIGNATURE COLLECTION and i was amazed about the quality of CLA bass , CLA VOcal, Cla Guitar.
I know that plugs for beginner but i tell you "TRY IT !!!".
However i have an answer, if you listen in the CLA Vocals there is PITCH "STEREO - WIDE - SPREAD" This fader give you the possibility to create a stereo effect around the voice.
In my life i try with: chorus - doubler and so on but i never hear nothing similar like that. Do you know what CLA obtein that with Hardware?
The same thigns about:
- for CLA bass DISTORTION
- FOR CLA BASS PITCH (similar to the voice PITCH?)
Let me know and thank you
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I have waves but don't sound so good...
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I have waves but don't sound so good...
Better ask for your money back, then!
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Check out this interview on the Waves site for information on how CLA mixes.

I would also highly recommend watching the Pensado's Place episode with CLA.

Plenty to learn from both.
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Jazz Noise is right, learn how to use it properly. its basically waves trying to emulate cla's eventide h3000. and even if you had the h3k you'd have to tweak it. so no it wont sound as good unless you learn how to use and adjust your tools properly.
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I'm thinking Eventide H3000...
Have you tried some of the soundtoys plugins?.. can't remember the names...

Btw does anyone knows if he still uses the modified dolby on vocals(parallel)?
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I'm thinking Eventide H3000...
Have you tried some of the soundtoys plugins?.. can't remember the names...

Btw does anyone knows if he still uses the modified dolby on vocals(parallel)?
Soundtoys Echoboy
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Dolby on voice? You talk about the DOLBY 361?
I'll try SoundToys thanks !!!
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Jazz Noise is right, learn how to use it properly. its basically waves trying to emulate cla's eventide h3000. and even if you had the h3k you'd have to tweak it. so no it wont sound as good unless you learn how to use and adjust your tools properly.
Actually it was a jibe implying that he hasn't payed for the Waves bundle, but I'm glad it got turned into something constructive!

I've used some of the Waves stuff and..it's fine. I have free tools that I prefer 99% of the time. However their X Noise is an excellent noise reduction tool and their reverb is pretty cool. Not everyone likes the same tools, so that's fine. What I will say is that regardless of the compressor or EQ in question of you can't get it to "ballpark" what you want then the issue is probably technique.
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I'm a beginner, how do you use those signature VSTs ?

CLA > EQ

or

EQ > CLA ?

with CLA, any need for additional compressor?
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In my life i try with: chorus - doubler and so on but i never hear nothing similar like that. Do you know what CLA obtein that with Hardware?
The same thigns about:
- for CLA bass DISTORTION
- FOR CLA BASS PITCH (similar to the voice PITCH?)
Let me know and thank you
all due respect, but did you consider making your own approach to it rather than trying to 'emulate' CLA?
If you want to get into the ballpark of "CLA sound" then CLA signature is there, also you can always hire him to do the mixing and it will even sound better
I'd say find your own bass distortion, bass pitch, etc - you'd me much happier eventually
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Funny. To me this thread seems like a guy who is asking a simple question. He wants to know what exact hardware chains the effects inside the 'ready made' CLA plugs is based on. No more no less. And all and sundry drop on him with assumptions about his skills and all sorts and callous statements made from the assumptions. Proper GS at its best.

To the OP, I don't know what hardware they emulated, sorry.
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Soundtoys Echoboy
No actually Soundblender or Crystallizer.
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Funny. To me this thread seems like a guy who is asking a simple question. He wants to know what exact hardware chains the effects inside the 'ready made' CLA plugs is based on. No more no less. And all and sundry drop on him with assumptions about his skills and all sorts and callous statements made from the assumptions. Proper GS at its best.

To the OP, I don't know what hardware they emulated, sorry.
No more no less. Thanks !!!
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Funny. To me this thread seems like a guy who is asking a simple question. He wants to know what exact hardware chains the effects inside the 'ready made' CLA plugs is based on. No more no less. And all and sundry drop on him with assumptions about his skills and all sorts and callous statements made from the assumptions. Proper GS at its best.

To the OP, I don't know what hardware they emulated, sorry.
That's no problem as I see it - there are numerous CLA interviews (with the gear he uses) and GS threads and posts with more than enough info about all that - there are even charts about CLA signature series and what's behind it. I guess it's easier to go around in circles and neglect search option...
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That's no problem as I see it - there are numerous CLA interviews (with the gear he uses) and GS threads and posts with more than enough info about all that - there are even charts about CLA signature series and what's behind it. I guess it's easier to go around in circles and neglect search option...
So, show me how you are better than me and found with search botton wich kind of hardware CLA use for stereo expande the voice.
After and only after i tell you: Thanks. Until that moment you are not so kindly for me...
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Dolby on voice? You talk about the DOLBY 361?
I'll try SoundToys thanks !!!
Don't know the model, but 361, 362 etc will do. And it's pretty easy to modify the cards.

And sorry for hi-jacking... The old dolby trick doesn't have anything to do with your question though... I was just curious if he still does that with vocals.
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But i see the dolby 361 and add on the voice a wonderfull sparlking and clarity... I advice to you...
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The plugin has an inherent eq without having touched the knobs. Certain regions CLA would boost out of experience for his sound. If there was a signature they went by, it'd be his ssl desk with the respective eq sections. I could post a picture what the EQ does to the frequency spectrum if needed.
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No actually Soundblender or Crystallizer.
Well, Soundblender is dead in PT 10.2 etc., waiting for them to bring it up to speed but not holding my breath.

Agree on Crystallizer - but wondering what settings (or presets) you're using. I can't quite get that Harmoniser effect out of it.
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Well, Soundblender is dead in PT 10.2 etc., waiting for them to bring it up to speed but not holding my breath.

Agree on Crystallizer - but wondering what settings (or presets) you're using. I can't quite get that Harmoniser effect out of it.
Ok... Didn't know that, haven't used the soundblender in years. I was assisting for 6 months at a bigger studio when i was starting out, and the soundblender was used a lot for that purpose if I remember it right.

Have to check older projects for the Crystallizer.

Nothing beats the Eventide though.
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Ok thank you for the advice
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You should also try recording actual vocal stacks if you wanna get that effect. Just delay, pitch shift, and eq the sides differently from the main vocals.
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Then compress it, compress it again and if you're unsure you should compress it some more..

The needle needs to be lodged to the point the screens going to break.
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Wow thank you. What plug you advie to me for pitch the vocal? Melodyne is ok?
Soudtoys coast too much
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Wow thank you. What plug you advie to me for pitch the vocal? Melodyne is ok?
Soudtoys coast too much
Melodyne is excellent

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Waves CLA chains

The CLA plug-ins aren't just for beginners, even pros admit to using the CLA plug-ins in interviews on Pensados Place (check the Batters Box section at around 48mins).
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