Dynamic mic with wide polar pattern for singers who "move around"??

[omtayslick]

Maybe an omni dynamic? EV635a etc.

[Bill@WelcomeHome]

maybe the performer should learn to use the tools they need to use do their jobs?

[JLiRD808]

I dont think its unreasonable that some mics have larger pickup patterns. When researching dynamics before, I remember reading about the ones that u had to be "practically right up against" vs the ones that "u can still move around a bit". From my memory...and I'm sure a lot of it was from reading here, some are more "forgiving" than others.

Unfortunately, I wasnt too concerned with the size of particular mic's pickup patterns back then and dont recall which mics had which feature.

Funny thing is, I always tripped out watching Bob Marley sing from a good 2-3ft away from his mic...then run in and get right up in it. Little did I know at the time that there was probably an engineer assigned to just riding his mic gain.

Thanks for the suggestion omtayslick...I'll like into that and other omni-dynamics.

[Dr Gris]

To cut vocals with an omni is great, but make sure you have good room treatment.
One dynamic mic that has great off axis response and doesn' t get to boomy when you
move to close is the RE20 from Electro-Voice. I feel it' s cardoid pattern is pretty wide.
And it' s a good workhorse mic that you can use on many things.
I always recommend buying second hand but with this mic, make sure it' s not too
old, because the interior foam has a reputation to go bad over time and can pollute the capsule.
Does it really have to be a dynamic?

Good luck!
/ M

[Dr Gris]

One more thing, always cut vocals with a compressor on the way in.
Doesn' t matter if they move around or not. Makes life easier!!

[Jidis]

Originally Posted by Dr Gris

TOne dynamic mic that has great off axis response and doesn' t get to boomy when you move to close is the RE20 from Electro-Voice.

Yeah, it is awesome about that. Shame it's just a tad bit out of the OP's budget range. It's probably a bit low too though (in level) if that matters.

It'll be interesting to see what suggestions come up in the lower price bracket.

Good luck on it!

[Moonbaby]

The RE-20 is one of my fave mics for all sorts of sources. Never thought that it was a "wide" pattern, though, but it is good for distance without proximity changes. These days most mic manufacturers are trying to "tighten" the pick-up on their dynamics to minimize feedback because live sound is the main market for that type of mic.
To be honest, 30+ years in this biz, if they can't cut it with a 58....I have to agree with Bill. They need to learn to stay "on mic".

[JLiRD808]

Thanks everyone...probly just go 58 then...of course ive been reading good things about the Blue 100 and 200 around the same $$ range

[Moonbaby]

Stick with the 58
00.02

[2manyrocks]

I was going to suggest the 635a unless the room is an issue.

If you buy a good mic, it's not like you've thrown money away regardless.

[JLiRD808]

Room is semi-treated. Kinda playn with mic and playing positions and some spots arent treated yet. Got access to plenty 705 though.

Ill look into that omni still though tks!

[Raymond998765432]

I currently own the Rode M1, and I would personally recommend it over the SM58, even though I haven't compared it with the SM58 on my own gear before. According to reviews on the M1, its clearer than the 58, and has a pretty good off-axis responce. Its about the same price as the SM58 too.

[Raymond998765432]

Oh, are you trying to preform live or record with a dynamic?

[JLiRD808]

Yeah whoops...recording. Are the dyns suggested not good for that? I get nice stuff off my 57 + GAP usually..not pro level yet but it works for who/what im workn with.

[2manyrocks]

If you're having trouble with your singer moving around while using a 57, I have to ask if a 58 would be any improvement over what you already have tried?

The positive is that both are good at rejecting room effects, but the negative to the OP would be the singer needs to stay in the zone with either the 57 or the 58.

Do you guys see it this way or am I getting this wrong?

[dkelley]

I'm trying to remember the dynamic I would recommend.... oh yea... pr30 from heil. Wider than a shure at least and a very good Mic.

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[audiotech]

Just put a stocking pop filter about six or eight inches from the microphone and have him sing into it. It will give him a target to shoot at and shouldn't mess with the microphone's proximity to any great degree.

Dennis

[Sinner]

Duct tape.

[RoadToNever]

Take a look at Electro-voice RE320

[Dr Gris]

Duct tape the singer maybe ;-)

[Manfrensengensen]

Bungji the singer to the mic stand, they can still move a bit, but not as restricting as duct tape.

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[indie folk guy]

It's out of your budget that a mic I find that works great for those that move around a lot is the Heil PR35 (PR30 is also excellent), they just need to be aware of the plosives and sibilance when they move in closer as this is a hot mic that pronounces such characteristics.

But for your $100-$150 range I'd suggest trying a Heil PR-22UT, the 22 is a better choice than the 20 as it has lower handling noise due to the internal shockmounting. Always a plus if you get a singer that likes to hold the mic rather than keep it on a stand.

Depending on how much they like to move around a handheld condenser may not be the worst idea in the world assuming you have phantom power and all that jazz.

E/V RE410, E/V RE510, Shure Beta 87, AKG 535, AKG C5, Audix VX5, BLUE Encore 300, etc all work great for not a ton of dough.

E/V makes great dynamics imho as well ND767a and those mentioned already are all great mics.

I should add are we talking about someone that has a lack of understanding for mic placement/use or someone inexperienced that just moves all over the place missing the sweetspot? If it's the latter you definitely need to get them to sing into a target (such as a pop filter) and/or learn some microphone technique.

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by Jim Williams

Move the mic back. That widens the sweet spot. Adjust gain and let him do his thing. ..

This. So very basic.

Originally Posted by audiotech

Just put a stocking pop filter about six or eight inches from the microphone and have him sing into it. It will give him a target to shoot at and shouldn't mess with the microphone's proximity to any great degree.

Dennis

Credit where credit's due.. rev's I & II.. : >)

[chessparov]

Jim, I didn't even know Joe Cocker COULD tie his hands.

Chris