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Old 16th August 2012   #1
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Matching a good pre to the Cad E100s

Alright, so after a couple months of trying to get my bearings, in just knowing what questions to ask, and what to focus on, I've gotten to the point where I've selected my first mic, and now am trying to match a preamp to it.


The mic I chose, is the Cad E100s. Reviewed as versatile, it can handle anything from, "from breathy vocals to a jet engine" or something ridiculous like that.

CAD Audio - The Brand Used by Professionals!


I've really been trying to figure out what's important to focus on, and it seems to me that the main thing, (when selecting something for the E100s), is making sure the pre can handle the max SPL, Sensitivity and Noise.

Excuse me if I'm blundering terminology... but there's a site I've been using to try and make the conversions, as it's quite a powerful mic, and I don't want to overload the preamp.

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E100s:

Max Output level of Mic, (used to match to max Input level of Preamp)
Sensitivity: -30dBV (28mV) @ 1Pa
Max SPL: 150dB (Pad Engaged)
SO, as a result, the Input max (28mV by 150dB) is 27 dbu.

Technical intelligence, has never been a strong suit, so you can imagine how much fun I've been having with this.

I've gotten to the point where I'm trying to do the noise conversion, but I'm not given the variable in the Unit of measurement needed, to make the conversion, and everything I've google'd is suggesting that there is no simple conversion between the unit I'm given and the unit I need to complete the noise conversion formula given.

I'm stuck. I was hoping from here, I'd be able to narrow this down, what pre's can handle the mic, thinking, if I get a pre that can handle this mic, it can handle just about everything. Sounded like a good start to things.

Even so, this is a hell of a process, finding something I can afford, (within 300$) that meets these stats, and having to do conversions every time.

I'm starting to feel the "analyses paralyses" setting over me again, and could really use a hand moving forward.

If there's any specifications, that I should attach, or if I should be posting this in a different section, to attract users who do the math when making these selections... just let me know.
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I have this mic and I've used it with a number of preamps without any issues. I think you may be overestimating the output issue. In any case, the E100S has a 10db pad, and many preamps have a pad too.

I've been using it with the Warm Audio WA12, but that's a little out of your price range.
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Try an M-Audio DMP3 or an ART MPA or one of those DBX models. I wouldn't worry too much about all the math. Try to find out if anyone has had any good experiences with the combo of mic/pre you're going for. Maybe you could concentrate on learning the ins and outs of the mic for now, you know, take it one step at a time. That way you can make a more full assessment of your needs as you go forward.
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Other suggestions of (preferably dual, and not proprietary) preamps of quality, that one might suggest, to match up?

(I'm working on an 800$ budget to get Preamp,Cad E100s(360$) cables, and pop filter, and stand). Also, I'm going usb, (which I don't even know how to tell from product description if it's usb or firewire). If I have to bite the bullet, and wait another month or two, to save another 200, I will if it's really worth it. )

I mean, I'd still like to be able to do the math conversions, but in the meanwhile, suggestions to preamps are good too, (if it's coming from someone who owns and works with the Cad e100s).

I was thinking about buying either the At pro 37 or the At M40 for the acoustic guitar, so it'd be nice to be able to record in stereo right off that bat, especially if I'm going to going to record video's of it. Anything wrong with this line of thinking? I mean, I'm aware that it'd probably be better to test the waters in mono, but I'd like the option of having stereo soon after, without having to Re-level every time I change mic's.

To be honest, I'm not even aware of how recording in stereo works, when it comes to setting your levels. Is it done individually, yet simultaneously? The idea is, I'd like to be able to go back and forth between the two mic's even individually, when I decide to give the vocals or guitar a rest.

All opinions are welcome, if you're suggesting equipment I can build off of and won't soon replace.

I really am at the beginning of things, but I don't won't to learn things by buying things that will soon be unsatisfactory.
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ART Pro MPAII

The ART Pro MPAII sounds very versatile. Descent starting point?
(When it says mic preamp, does that mean it won't do acoustic guitar well)?
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Repackage my question.

So, I'm wondering if I've screwed myself out of responses to the third post I made to this thread, by having the first post, (which no one seems to be able to answer) above it. I could be waiting a while on that, so I was thinking:

Am I aloud, to delete, (without user complaints) and re-edit my third post, and start a new thread that's heading post 3's direction, (seeing as that's an entirely different question/ direction)? Me thinks anyways.

I'm still getting to know the rules of posting. I don't want to over post, so I figured I'd check to see what's safe.
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i have this mic def think u should save that extra $ and move into the 500 dollar range. i have the wa12 and a modded eureka and both are great with it. for vocals the eureka is super clean but the vibe u get with the wa12 is awesome. i say spend 450 and get the wa12
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Alright, so after a couple months of trying to get my bearings, in just knowing what questions to ask, and what to focus on, I've gotten to the point where I've selected my first mic, and now am trying to match a preamp to it.
You don't.

You buy the best mic pre that you can afford (and that you like).
then you buy more of them, the same type, until you have enough to do what you need to do at one time.

This high quality mic pre will work perfectly with ANY mic... that's part of what defines it as a high quality mic pre.


the idea of mixing and matching mics to pres is amateurish thinking that you can bypass now, early on, and move right on to making better recordings.
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