Hey guys! My first time in this forum and i need some help. I'm trying to set up a home studio, but i have already stated that it isn't simple. A lot of money to spent. So, i'm stuck, dont know what to buy. Should i wait and save (a lot of) money to buy a head, cabinet, mic and some isolation stuff? (probably gonna need it). or, some digital stuff like the eleven rack, hd 500, kemper would do the job?
the other problem is, if i choose the digital stuff, i would have to buy some later equipment to perform live (PA, cabinet, etc), so i was thinking in a Line 6 spider valve mkii, that can be connected trough a interface to the computer and record directly. Dont know if the sound quality is good :/
I tried to see some demonstrations for hi-gain examples, but didn't like none, and i can''t try it in Portugal. About the 6505, about how much money would it be?
I had made some demos with the combination of GT10 & UX2 (completely digital)... not sure if it suit your level of metal recording you are looking for...
If you're going down the cab-head route I'd just like to say you've no idea how too loud a 100 watt amp is. You'll never get the power stage saturation before the cops come! 50 is extremely loud, 30 and under are where the entire headroom of the amp is actually useful. Combos are often great, too, but are usualy when under 50 watts and the extra air volume in a larger one is nice. You'll really have to shop around on this one!
Another question to ask is what do you want this amp to do. Do you want FX? Do you want the amp for its overdrive or its clean tones? Will you be using pedals? Does it have a send/return loop?
If you're in a band a simple 2 in interface like an MBOX might be nice if your singer has ideas or anything, you can always make up a rough draft and send it on to bandmates or use it to advertise to prospective bandmates
__________________ Why don't you just knock it off with them negative waves?
I had made some demos with the combination of GT10 & UX2 (completely digital)... not sure if it suit your level of metal recording you are looking for...
Pretty nice tone. But i'm looking for a more agressive tone, if possible. Nice playing btw
Jazz Noise, i dont have a band. What i'm considering is if I enter in one, i would have to purchase some speakers, in case i choose the eleven rack or hd500 or other modeler. I was thinking in the mkii because it's an amp, it's has some modulation, and i can use it to direct recording and live perfomance if necessary. And no, not thinking in using pedals.
i know, but i'm not seeing other options. I can save some money to a Randall isocab, but the amp it will be very expensive...
Well lets put the rigs aside and talk abit more on recording,
Before you able to record anything, you at least nid to spend a decent amount of money on a Audio Interface, AI.
You may refer an AI as an external soundcard that that sole focus on playback & capture all the digital info(your recording) to your PC. It's a big chapter itself before you can actually start recording even you have the right gears (guitars, amps, cabs n etc)
Being at home, i don't have the luxury of space... and i really wanted a Mesa boogie with full stack but again when think of it... the NEIGHBOURS! I can opt for the isocabs... but again it's pricey... and this suppose to be a low end theory thread rite..
Next move on to digital modelers, all i can say the price you pay is what you get. We can't compared to professional studios that had spend millions to gets those monsterous tone... If you or the band is planning for a singles.. its always suggested to track it properly in a professional studios. Home recording its good enuf for when you are in the midst of composing or you wanted the band to have a demo guide in the studio later.
So probally the question you nid to ask yourself, whats your purpose of Home recording?
If you are planning not to step in a foot again to a pro studio, so be prepared to invest load of $$$ on your recordng gears(it's nvr enuf.. trust me :P)
Or you have some creative ideas and you really desperately need to record it down and hope to materialize it to a demo song..
I've choose digital modelers as it resolved my problems...i can record my stuffs in odd hours and the wife and neighbour can sleep peacefuly Lol.. Also, it can be an AI and it had plenty of pre-amps that i can explore without hurting my budget & space and yes it might sounded digital and those are the trade off that i willing to accept.
Once you graps the recording concepts/technique, you will know your upgrade options. So start it simple and "Audio Engineering" can be complex.
For Hi-gain metal tones, nothing beats my Fender SuperSonic 60w Combo... It regularly spanks either of my half stacks in both tone and sheer volume. It's really amazing how efficient/loud the single Jensen 12" speaker is in that thing..
For Hi-gain metal tones, nothing beats my Fender SuperSonic 60w Combo... It regularly spanks either of my half stacks in both tone and sheer volume. It's really amazing how efficient/loud the single Jensen 12" speaker is in that thing..
Well lets put the rigs aside and talk abit more on recording,
Before you able to record anything, you at least nid to spend a decent amount of money on a Audio Interface, AI.
You may refer an AI as an external soundcard that that sole focus on playback & capture all the digital info(your recording) to your PC. It's a big chapter itself before you can actually start recording even you have the right gears (guitars, amps, cabs n etc)
Being at home, i don't have the luxury of space... and i really wanted a Mesa boogie with full stack but again when think of it... the NEIGHBOURS! I can opt for the isocabs... but again it's pricey... and this suppose to be a low end theory thread rite..
Next move on to digital modelers, all i can say the price you pay is what you get. We can't compared to professional studios that had spend millions to gets those monsterous tone... If you or the band is planning for a singles.. its always suggested to track it properly in a professional studios. Home recording its good enuf for when you are in the midst of composing or you wanted the band to have a demo guide in the studio later.
So probally the question you nid to ask yourself, whats your purpose of Home recording?
If you are planning not to step in a foot again to a pro studio, so be prepared to invest load of $$$ on your recordng gears(it's nvr enuf.. trust me :P)
Or you have some creative ideas and you really desperately need to record it down and hope to materialize it to a demo song..
I've choose digital modelers as it resolved my problems...i can record my stuffs in odd hours and the wife and neighbour can sleep peacefuly Lol.. Also, it can be an AI and it had plenty of pre-amps that i can explore without hurting my budget & space and yes it might sounded digital and those are the trade off that i willing to accept.
Once you graps the recording concepts/technique, you will know your upgrade options. So start it simple and "Audio Engineering" can be complex.
So hope this helps.
Cheers
Bryan
Hey, welcome to the forum. You are a smart guy, and that was a very insightful and honest post, with no bullsh*t.
Good to see new comers that are nice honest people. This does not happen often here. Thanks for this, and the thread starter would do well to read your post again, and take notice. Lots of good info here, and the point about looking to the future and deciding what you want to get out of your home rig in the end before buying, is a good one.
Also, the honesty on the reality of home vs. commercial studio was refreshing.
Well lets put the rigs aside and talk abit more on recording,
Before you able to record anything, you at least nid to spend a decent amount of money on a Audio Interface, AI.
You may refer an AI as an external soundcard that that sole focus on playback & capture all the digital info(your recording) to your PC. It's a big chapter itself before you can actually start recording even you have the right gears (guitars, amps, cabs n etc)
Being at home, i don't have the luxury of space... and i really wanted a Mesa boogie with full stack but again when think of it... the NEIGHBOURS! I can opt for the isocabs... but again it's pricey... and this suppose to be a low end theory thread rite..
Next move on to digital modelers, all i can say the price you pay is what you get. We can't compared to professional studios that had spend millions to gets those monsterous tone... If you or the band is planning for a singles.. its always suggested to track it properly in a professional studios. Home recording its good enuf for when you are in the midst of composing or you wanted the band to have a demo guide in the studio later.
So probally the question you nid to ask yourself, whats your purpose of Home recording?
If you are planning not to step in a foot again to a pro studio, so be prepared to invest load of $$$ on your recordng gears(it's nvr enuf.. trust me :P)
Or you have some creative ideas and you really desperately need to record it down and hope to materialize it to a demo song..
I've choose digital modelers as it resolved my problems...i can record my stuffs in odd hours and the wife and neighbour can sleep peacefuly Lol.. Also, it can be an AI and it had plenty of pre-amps that i can explore without hurting my budget & space and yes it might sounded digital and those are the trade off that i willing to accept.
Once you graps the recording concepts/technique, you will know your upgrade options. So start it simple and "Audio Engineering" can be complex.
So hope this helps.
Cheers
Bryan
Well mate, you have an interesting point of view there. It made me reconsider. Thanks :D i will look for some modelers/ digital amplifiers. But i have a question: you said i should purchase an AI. i thought that the boss gt-10 (for example) could be plugged in straight in the computer :/ thanks for clearing my mind again :D
To each their own, I guess. As far as crunchy, usable gain for days this thing clearly beats all of the tube amps I've owned (Mesas, Marshalls, VHT, etc.), and absolutely destroys the Line6, Crate, and other non-tube amps I've had. During jam sessions, whatever guy picks the SuperSonic is inevitably the guy who has to turn down.
Don't waste your time on buying a head, I have a VHT pitbull ultralead, a 5150 and had a mesa dual. Get an Axe FX II and learn how to use it, from drums get SP 2.0 and tweak the shit out of it. No mics and none of that crap(in case you only care about the final result and not the process itself of course).
Well mate, you have an interesting point of view there. It made me reconsider. Thanks :D i will look for some modelers/ digital amplifiers. But i have a question: you said i should purchase an AI. i thought that the boss gt-10 (for example) could be plugged in straight in the computer :/ thanks for clearing my mind again :D
No worries mate... Hope it make sense to u...
Modelers like gt100 or hd500 can act as an AI. Most of my earlier recording is done wit gt10 via USB only.. It get d job done easily. The only con abt it... It doesn't come wit a mic input as d line6 did..so recording vocals or acoustic (mic-ed) is not possible. So my next add-on is d ux2 which came wit phantom power for condensers mic n it open more possibilities in my recording.
When yur ears get better n better... U able to differentiate little differences in terms of yur recording fidelity/quality. Yur thirst on quality gets higher, and for myself I saved up to upgrade a better AI and monitors. It really brings my recordings to a different level... Better performing gears nvr comes cheap.. If u give peanuts... U will get monkeys... Lol
Hey, welcome to the forum. You are a smart guy, and that was a very insightful and honest post, with no bullsh*t.
Good to see new comers that are nice honest people. This does not happen often here. Thanks for this, and the thread starter would do well to read your post again, and take notice. Lots of good info here, and the point about looking to the future and deciding what you want to get out of your home rig in the end before buying, is a good one.
Also, the honesty on the reality of home vs. commercial studio was refreshing.
Best regards from USA,
john
Thx John
I'm starting to enjoy my stay here...still much to learn from everyone.
The great thing about recording a head is that it is YOUR live sound. All the work you put in to coaxing the best sound, pickup, speakers, mics, mic positions, etc.. translates to your live sound and you will learn valuable recording skills. If you go the modelling route, all that time will be throw away time spent tweaking virtual parameters that will be lost when a better amp sim comes out.
The results are not as good with a sim, but it is MUCH easier and cheaper. If you are not primarily a guitar player, then just use digital.
The metal clip above sounded good for layered power chords, but it was obvious that the solo tone was an amp sim. Sims can sound great but they often don't sit right in the mix. They are easy to play although they dont properly simulate gain staging so most guitars sound almost identical through them.
You will spend 2.5K+ for a good metal recording rig including head, cab, iso chamber or both, mics, mic pres, compressors, power soaks, etc. Metal requires an extensive bottom end that is not captured by an SM57. Look into other mics in conjunction with the SM57, or also use DI and route to your amp sim to "borrow" the bass from the sim track. (although you will probably have phase issues.)
The great thing about recording a head is that it is YOUR live sound. All the work you put in to coaxing the best sound, pickup, speakers, mics, mic positions, etc.. translates to your live sound and you will learn valuable recording skills. If you go the modelling route, all that time will be throw away time spent tweaking virtual parameters that will be lost when a better amp sim comes out.
The results are not as good with a sim, but it is MUCH easier and cheaper. If you are not primarily a guitar player, then just use digital.
The metal clip above sounded good for layered power chords, but it was obvious that the solo tone was an amp sim. Sims can sound great but they often don't sit right in the mix. They are easy to play although they dont properly simulate gain staging so most guitars sound almost identical through them.
You will spend 2.5K+ for a good metal recording rig including head, cab, iso chamber or both, mics, mic pres, compressors, power soaks, etc. Metal requires an extensive bottom end that is not captured by an SM57. Look into other mics in conjunction with the SM57, or also use DI and route to your amp sim to "borrow" the bass from the sim track. (although you will probably have phase issues.)
You can easily use the proximity effect and good mic placement to get extended low end from a 57. Although, I would suggest looking at other mics as well. probably a large diaphragm condenser, you'll achieve better detail in the low end.
4 speakers instead of 8... what's dumb about that?
Half stacks are dumb and have 4 speakers while combos have two. Half stacks are completely unnecessary to gig with and record with IMO. I do live sound and any time someone brings in a half stack, i know they're gonna think they have to play loud.
2 speakers with an open back work much better on stage than 4 that are extremely directional. I also get that awesome metal can thrum from my combo so I got everything I need...
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And the Fender has a direct output? so i can connect it directly trough and audio interface?
You know, I have to look in back because it might have a DI out of some kind, but that's not really what you want a SuperSonic for. It's an all-tube combo amp (only 1x12", amazingly), that's LOUD as hell and sounds beautiful sitting in a nice room, cranked up, with an equally fantastic mic in front of it.
That's one way of achieving "ultimate metal tone". As other guys here have stated, DI amp modeling is the easier, cheaper, alternative and it might be better suited to your needs. If that's your your choice, get an Axe FX and you're done. If that's too pricey, look at a Line6 product of some sort.
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