30th July 2012
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#1 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter | EZ Drummer into freestanding DAW?
I really like the idea of EZ Drummer but I have an analogue studio, not a computer based studio. Can I use EZ Drummer, play the track that I assemble and route that from the earphone jack into a track on my DAW and expect good quality sound? Is there a way that would be better and achieve the same thing?
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31st July 2012
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#2 | | Manic Modulator
Joined: Jun 2011 Location: Melbourne
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I'm confused! You say you have an analogue studio but you want to route something into your DAW?
If you did want to record EZ Drummer into your DAW you wouldn't use an earphone jack you'd just bounce EZ Drummer down in within the DAW, no external connections needed.
Are you going to program your drum parts on a DAW or just use one to host EZ Drummer while you play live?
Regardless of what I was recording into I would want to route all the individual drum elements to separate outputs and for this you'd need an audio interface with as many outputs as possible . . looking at the below picture and the channels provided by EZ Drummer you'd need 11 output channels to get everything separately, although you could put the toms on a stereo group and maybe group the OH and Room and use just 8 output channels?
Anyway, you could then run the DAW outputs into your analogue front-end, record EZ Drummer like that and then you can mix it like a real drum-kit! :]  | |
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31st July 2012
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#3 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter | Digital yes, but not computer
Last I heard DAW stood for digital audio workstation. What I have is a stand alone, a Korg D16, a Korg D8 and a Roland VSR-880 plus a Roland CDX-1 disclab. I appreciate that ur trying to help but please do not make me feel like an idiot. I am not. If I am using the wrong semantics, I apologize. What I have is digital but it is a stand alone unit, not a program on a computer. Does this clear things up?
And yes, I realize that the earphone jack is not ideal but I am trying to fuse two different genres of equipment and I am not sure the best audio way to go.
I have always loved music, for decades, I am 52 years old. I played guitar and bass but that is about it. I bought second-hand gear and built my self a studio. I am self taught at everything. That is a tremendous amount of learning. So please, give me a break. I am a personal trainer/life coach, not an engineer. I am, though, far from stupid.
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31st July 2012
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#4 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Oct 2010 Location: UK
Posts: 3,358
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Originally Posted by heltup  Last I heard DAW stood for digital audio workstation. What I have is a stand alone, a Korg D16, a Korg D8 and a Roland VSR-880 plus a Roland CDX-1 disclab. I appreciate that ur trying to help but please do not make me feel like an idiot. I am not. If I am using the wrong semantics, I apologize. What I have is digital but it is a stand alone unit, not a program on a computer. Does this clear things up?
And yes, I realize that the earphone jack is not ideal but I am trying to fuse two different genres of equipment and I am not sure the best audio way to go.
I have always loved music, for decades, I am 52 years old. I played guitar and bass but that is about it. I bought second-hand gear and built my self a studio. I am self taught at everything. That is a tremendous amount of learning. So please, give me a break. I am a personal trainer/life coach, not an engineer. I am, though, far from stupid. | Sorry, but to use EZdrummer you need a DAW like Pro tools, Samplitude etc.
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31st July 2012
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#5 | | Gear nut
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 93
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Get yourself a cheap USB/Firewire sound card. Much better than using the headphone out of your computer, if you have one...a computer that is. You could then separate the stereo signal into 2 tracks of your digital recorder.
ShadowAMD is right. And so are you...yes DAW does mean Digital Audio Workstation but 99.999999% of the time it is referring to software on a computer eg Logic, Pro Tools, FL Studio, Reaper etc
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31st July 2012
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#6 | | Manic Modulator
Joined: Jun 2011 Location: Melbourne
Posts: 622
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Originally Posted by heltup Last I heard DAW stood for digital audio workstation. What I have is a stand alone, a Korg D16, a Korg D8 and a Roland VSR-880 plus a Roland CDX-1 disclab. I appreciate that ur trying to help but please do not make me feel like an idiot. I am not. If I am using the wrong semantics, I apologize. What I have is digital but it is a stand alone unit, not a program on a computer. Does this clear things up?
And yes, I realize that the earphone jack is not ideal but I am trying to fuse two different genres of equipment and I am not sure the best audio way to go.
I have always loved music, for decades, I am 52 years old. I played guitar and bass but that is about it. I bought second-hand gear and built my self a studio. I am self taught at everything. That is a tremendous amount of learning. So please, give me a break. I am a personal trainer/life coach, not an engineer. I am, though, far from stupid. | Is that directed at me? If so there's nothing in my post to justify it . . it's a friendly, helpful post that I took time out of my day to write in an attempt to help.
The post after mine is from someone else and has nothing to do with my post . . if you have something to say to them please direct it at them.
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31st July 2012
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#7 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Oct 2010 Location: UK
Posts: 3,358
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Originally Posted by Red Black Is that directed at me? If so there's nothing in my post to justify it . . it's a friendly, helpful post that I took time out of my day to write in an attempt to help.
The post after mine is from someone else and has nothing to do with my post . . | Well if he's a life coach, I thought he would take it with a pinch of salt and be more positive ha!
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31st July 2012
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#8 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter |
You are right. I am a relic from a bygone age. I kinda like it! Thank you so very much for your help. I do have a computer, several actually, but I like all the sliders, switches and buttons.
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31st July 2012
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#9 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter |
Sorry, really don't know how to do this right. I am sorry and looking back at the posts I really think I was reacting more to the post after your's pic. I am used to face to face conversations. There seems to be too much capacity to misunderstand. But then, if I knew about all the emoticons and such I guess it wouldn't be too bad. Sorry, I really do appreciate your time, thanks.
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31st July 2012
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#10 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Oct 2010 Location: UK
Posts: 3,358
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Originally Posted by heltup Sorry, really don't know how to do this right. I am sorry and looking back at the posts I really think I was reacting more to the post after your's pic. I am used to face to face conversations. There seems to be too much capacity to misunderstand. But then, if I knew about all the emoticons and such I guess it wouldn't be too bad. Sorry, I really do appreciate your time, thanks. | Hey no problem,  I like Ezdrummer, so you should check it out and see if you can work with it and adapt.. If not get a mixing desk, more knobs and buttons to press  !
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31st July 2012
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#11 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter |
Good point. Life really would be easier if we were all perfect. I guess after being positive in the face of how some people can be I am a bit frustrated. Good jab though, I can appreciate that.
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31st July 2012
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#12 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter |
YAY!!!
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31st July 2012
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#13 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter | By the way...
I got the EZDrummer from audio Deluxe on ebay. They have a sale on it for 5
$59.00. I shot them a price yesterday when it was $79.00 of $55.00 and they took it. It is the version in the package as well. So if anyone is looking...
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31st July 2012
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#14 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter |
That is with free shipping. They also have the version they send over the net as well. I am sure some people prefer that.
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31st July 2012
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#15 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 157
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In my opinion, he best route would be this:
Purchase a cheap USB audio interface. Something like a Lexicon Alpha or maybe M-Audio Fast Track...There are countless others for >100, google is your friend.
Get a sequencer for your computer. I recommend Reaper, as it is the cheapest thing that will do what you need to do, and very well at that. Install EX Drummer. Open Reaper, open an instance of EX Drummer and set up a midi track. Set up a drum sequence to your liking. And Voila.
Obviously, you will need to do some manual reading for Reaper and for the audio interface of your choosing, to find the best way to get that audio into your Korg.
Alternatively, you can skip the AI, and use your computer soundcard with ASIO4ALL driver, and a line out to your Korg. But, depending on how crappy your computer's built in sound-chip is you might not even be able to achieve this due to lack of processing power. All you might get from your speakers is a bunch of snap, crackle and pop. Running a audio sequencer requires much, much more performance than say listening to an MP3 or watching a YouTube video. Also, as I am sure you are aware, sound quality will suffer heavily in this scenario.
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31st July 2012
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#16 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
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Hey, it is a done deal. A brand called Syba had a nice 7.1 usb sound card for 14. dollars at wal-mart. thanks again dude!
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31st July 2012
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#17 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter |
The laptop I use is geared for entertainment i.e. sound and video so the sound is not too bad. I have no delusions of being the next big thing. I just suck at drums and it would be nice to use EZDrummer, I like the way it works. Mostly I record because I love it. Hours fly by and I have no idea of the time. It is good therapy. A person once told me that we are closest to god when we create. That had the ring of truth in it and I have believed it ever since.
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31st July 2012
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#18 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 157
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If that's the case, give your on-board card a shot (albeit, with low expectations). If it works for you great, if not, upgrade.
Reaper can be used for free as well if you're not making any money from it.
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31st July 2012
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#19 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter | Some people
some people get their jollies tearing other people down and feeling superior somehow. I have never liked that. I have never been like that. The energy you use in such endeavors is negative. I try to stay away from that. I have had enough negativity thrust on me by my parents to last an eternity. So I try to stay away from that.
But, believe me, the last thing I want to do is to offend anyone or to wrongly accuse anyone. That is not what I am about. I sometimes slip, especially if I feel humiliated because that is how I grew up. I was humiliated by both my parents. It has taken me to the age of 50 to get over it somewhat. You never know what buttons you are pushing or how deep it goes when you start making fun of someone in your quest to feel superior. One thing that I have learned is if you are the fastest runner, someone else is better at math. If you are the best at math then someone else jumps higher than you do. So, how do you measure a man?
I came to this site to find help, not to be ridiculed. Many people have given me that help without thought of payback and I thank you. I appreciate the help more than you know. I spend my life trying to help people also. If I can help anyone on this site, which I doubt, at least with technical stuff. But I am willing to help any way that I can. and for those of you who think you are better than other people because you have knowledge in a certain area, you might feel very lost and helpless if you needed knowledge that you don't possess, like fixing a car for example. Please remember that people who come here looking for help are feeling helpless. They are asking for your help. Not to be left at the cafeteria lunch table by themselves because nobody wants to sit with them. Does that make sense?
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31st July 2012
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#20 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter |
I will check reaper out. Sounds cool.
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31st July 2012
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#21 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter |
Really/ How does that work? Because they are saying that I need to purchase a licence agreement after 30 days, I did download it though. How does this compare to audacity? I downloaded that on another computer so I could burn my vinyl to mp3.
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31st July 2012
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#22 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 157
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My apologies. I guess you would have to shell out the $60. That is a steal considering the next cheapest thing is probably at least $250.
I don't think that Audacity can run VST Plugins (EZ Drummer for example) out of the box. You may be able to modify it to do so but I am not sure on that. I guess you could google it.
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31st July 2012
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#23 | | Gear addict
Joined: Sep 2004 Location: Sheffield
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You don't need a seperate DAW if you are only using it for EZ Drummer.
Toontrack have a stand alone program that is free to download from their site to enable you to host their drum software without a computer based DAW.
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1st August 2012
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#24 | | Gear Head
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 33
Thread Starter |
Wow! Thank you all so very. very much.
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1st August 2012
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#25 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 726
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Originally Posted by Herb You don't need a seperate DAW if you are only using it for EZ Drummer.
Toontrack have a stand alone program that is free to download from their site to enable you to host their drum software without a computer based DAW. | That's right, it's called Toontrack Solo and it works well.
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