MXL69M tube swap - Gearslutz.com Gearslutz.com
 


All Advertisers
Go Back   Gearslutz.com > The Forums > Low End Theory

MXL69M tube swap
New Reply New Reply Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 25th July 2012   #1
Gear Head
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 41

Thread Starter
MXL69M tube swap

Hello everybody,

I have a home-studio for mixing purposes and started thinking about a microphone for dubbing... I was impressed by the MXL69M because it wasn't to bright sounding and has nice low and low-mid response on vocals. I just bought it... it will be arriving within a week.

I heard you could change tubes and that there are 12AT7 and 12AX7 versions... How can I find out which version I have? I saw both 12AT7 and 12AX7 versions from Telefunken in very good condition... I was thinking about changing the stock-tube for one of these.

Hope someone can tell me which tube I need and how the sound would improve.

Thanks.
Tigri is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 25th July 2012   #2
3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 2,987

I just got this mic 2 weeks ago after reading rave reviews on it!

And they were right,it sound awesome.

It does have a smooth low it,but this mic shine because its so natural sounding.

It translate sources so accurately!

There is a great thread on this mic and swapping tubes.do a search.

Even look up the mxl genesis,I believe they use the same tubes.

Sent from my PC36100 using Gearslutz App
FLYINGJAY is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 25th July 2012   #3
Gear Head
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 41

Thread Starter
Thanks! I will look it up... Yeah, I ordered from a store where I know the owner personally. He let me audition the microphone. It sounded great. But I am thinking about swapping tubes to make it even better and more vintage sounding.
Tigri is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 25th July 2012   #4
3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 2,987

Yea cool,if you go threw my post,there's a mxl v69 me thread.

One dude said he swapped the tubes,but it only added more low end.something it already have plenty of...

Sent from my PC36100 using Gearslutz App
FLYINGJAY is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 25th July 2012   #5
Gear Guru
 
Chris Lago's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Location: Beverly Kills
Posts: 11,584
My Recordings/Credits

I got a Mullard cv4024 in my v69me, sounds great.

Here's a song I tracked with it:

Chris Lago is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 25th July 2012   #6
Gear Head
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 41

Thread Starter
I am gonna have a listen. I ordered a siemens ECC81 and telefunken ECC81... Monday or Tuesday next week the microphone and tubes will be delivered... excited!
Tigri is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 26th July 2012   #7
3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 2,987

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Lago View Post
I got a Mullard cv4024 in my v69me, sounds great.

Here's a song I tracked with it:

stereo hearts is bangin chris!i just peeped your youtube channel.

why not a stedman proscreen 101?they let even more voice come threw.
FLYINGJAY is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 26th July 2012   #8
3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 2,987

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigri View Post
I am gonna have a listen. I ordered a siemens ECC81 and telefunken ECC81... Monday or Tuesday next week the microphone and tubes will be delivered... excited!
Are you going to record the same source and compare?

If so i'd love to here the difference.

Sent from my PC36100 using Gearslutz App
FLYINGJAY is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2012   #9
Gear Head
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 41

Thread Starter
Hey everybody,

I just got the MXL in yesterday and started recording rap-vocals with it. It sounds decent, I think the drive that the tube adds is a little much but then again it was the stock tube. The highs are a little Chinese by my taste but not that big of a problem because it responds very well to EQ.

Today, I got in a Siemens ECC81 and Telefunken ECC81. I put in the Telefunken and all I got was noise. After changing it with the Siemens it was more open in the highs and less warmth in the lows. I actually liked it but it came a little aggressive in the mids.

After 25 minutes, this tube started making crackling noise too... :S

So, I changed back to stock tube to see if it would go away. I had 1 small moment of hearing a crackling noise and is behaving normal again...

I am a little scared to change it back to Telefunken or Siemens tube again because I am afraid of damaging the microphone. Can anyone assist me with some hints, tips etc.
Tigri is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2012   #10
Gear maniac
 
NothingTheory's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 260

An ECC81, while slightly less gain has a huge current flow, and it just may be too much for the circuit. I have certainly found that its not always a drop in replacement for a 12AX7.

It seems more common to drop in a 6072 (12AY7) for mic circuits. Lower gain yet than ECC81 (12AT7) but is similar in current use and so the load line generally translates better for a circuit designed for a 12AX7.

I dont know the cicuit of that mic very well, so im speaking in generalities.
Its also just possible you got bad tubes. Not sure where you got them, but tubes from ebay or other low cost sources are hit and miss, so if you dont have a tester and are buying just one or two tubes its generally worth the extra $ to go to a professional, like Bowie, and get the hand held deal.
NothingTheory is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 1st August 2012   #11
Gear Head
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 41

Thread Starter
I found a 12AT7 stock tube in it. That's why I chose the ECC81 tubes from Siemens and Telefunken. They were tested by a professional tester and I got the test-reports with the tubes.

Because the stock tube in the microphone is a 12AT7, (I believe ECC81 is the European version, similair to 12AT7) I put in the Telefunken...

Still got the problem but I am going to discuss it with an electrician who works in the studio I freelance a lot.
Tigri is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 2nd August 2012   #12
Gear interested
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 22

I had the same problem, but after a few days of tube burn in, all is fine
Dave457 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 9th August 2012   #13
Gear maniac
 
NothingTheory's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 260

Problem solved ?

To the OP .. did you get the problem figured out or solved ? Was curious if there was a solution.

I just picked up two of these on the cheap. So I'll have a couple to play with and compare changes-vs-stock. I'll be taking a look at Jim's previous post.. any other suggestions ? Capsule swap ? The ME editions have a tranny right ? Tranny swap with ? If I come up with anything earth shattering, I'll start a new thread...
NothingTheory is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 9th August 2012   #14
Lives for gear
 
ttown23's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 846

I used a GE 5-star 12AY7 in mine and it sounds remarkable.
ttown23 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 5th September 2012   #15
Gear Head
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 41

Thread Starter
I haven't found a solution. (Besides tapping the mic when it starts making noise) I am currently letting a colleague at the studio look at it. He is measuring everything and seeing if I damaged the circuit somehow and seeing if he can change the component where the tube is mounted in if that is necessary.

I made some recordings and mixes with this microphone and if it is working and not making noises, it sounds really good for the price... probably gonna share a .wav file of a part of the song with you guys soon!
Tigri is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 5th September 2012   #16
Gear maniac
 
NothingTheory's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 260

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigri View Post
I haven't found a solution. (Besides tapping the mic when it starts making noise) I am currently letting a colleague at the studio look at it. He is measuring everything and seeing if I damaged the circuit somehow and seeing if he can change the component where the tube is mounted in if that is necessary.
Bummer. While I dont know if it can help your problem or not - Im about to publish a mod article for the V69 that is pretty in depth. Well as in depth as I could get without schematics. ( I did a drawing for the tube section though ) I thought I had seen a Jim Williams post on the V69 but alas when I looked it up it was for a bluebird. So I was on my own, but there were certainly some surprises I found. Im finishing up some final clips between the modded mic vs the stock one and I should be ready within a week. I have a session on thurs and it may be an opportunity to get some clips with real musicians rather than me playing instruments I dont normally play.
NothingTheory is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11th September 2012   #17
Gear maniac
 
NothingTheory's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 260

@Tigri. I had a thought. When I was working on my units I noticed that it was real sensitive to having the cover seated and grounding properly. So what I did was use some sandpaper to clean off the the top where it presses upagainst the metal by the headbasket & Screw on the base snugly. That removed any "scratchyness" I was hearing. Thought id mention just in case this is your issue as well.
NothingTheory is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11th September 2012   #18
Gear Head
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 41

Thread Starter
Quote:
Originally Posted by NothingTheory View Post
@Tigri. I had a thought. When I was working on my units I noticed that it was real sensitive to having the cover seated and grounding properly. So what I did was use some sandpaper to clean off the the top where it presses upagainst the metal by the headbasket & Screw on the base snugly. That removed any "scratchyness" I was hearing. Thought id mention just in case this is your issue as well.
Nice. I'll have a look at it soon. Currently not able to look at the mic due to some recording sessions. Although, my colleague is making some progress with the mic. He cleaned the pins of the tube and found a bigger rubber ring to fit around the tube to keep isolation from the metal placeholder. (The european tubes like Telefunken tend to be a bit smaller then the American versions of this one...)

It definitely made the mic sound better. He is still not sure about the noise and if it is gone but he is making progress!
Tigri is offline  
Reply With Quote
New Reply New Reply Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook  Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter  Submit Thread to LinkedIn LinkedIn 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Similar Threads
Thread Thread starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fender Pro Junior: Tube Combinations pablotf So many guitars, so little time! 15 2nd April 2013 11:31 AM
Best All Tube Bass Amp for live performance / recording? FFTT So many guitars, so little time! 65 16th July 2012 06:55 PM
Rickenbacker Tube Amp Combos Robearto4 So many guitars, so little time! 5 3rd February 2007 11:17 PM
Can anyone confirm this tube model? Matt Hepworth So much gear, so little time! 3 29th December 2006 08:45 AM
Just curious.Manufacturing old tubes. jupiter8 Geekslutz forum 25 20th December 2006 11:59 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:10 AM.

Home - Search Forum - Contact Us - Terms Of Use / Privacy Policy - Advertise on Gearslutz - All Advertisers - Top
 
 
Powered by vBulletin®
Gearslutz.com LTD - UK Company Number 7597610.
Registered Office - 35 Ballards Lane, London, N3 1XW.
Hosted by Nimbus Hosting.

By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies.

SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.